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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 13 at 1:45 a.m.
Thread: Keller to MTL Zegras to ARZ 7OA to ANA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ricochetii</b></div><div>Whatever else you might think about Zegras, he is marketable.
That could make a difference in staying in Arizona or drawing attention if they relocate.
Arizona has the draft capital to upgrade that pick further.
Ylonen was also born in Arizona (though he may not have developed there).
Obviously you're hoping Zegras also ends up as good or better than Keller.



I realize Keller simply may not be available, but with 2 top 10 picks Anaheim can replace Zegras and add a RHD in the draft.
They may also be able to secure a higher pick for a specific target with one of them.
In the meantime they can use Kovacevic as a stop gap and determine if he's capable of more or at least a solid shutdown partner for someone else.

Anyway it's just an idea.</div></div>

keller is 25yo, ylonen 24yo (4thline W) zegras is almost 23 - you give zero reason why AZ would even think about this - hoping zegras becomes equal or better than what you already have is not a reason to swap guys, if AZ wants to upgrade in the draft they can easily do it now, a late 1st isnt that much better than a 2nd (and AZ has 10). unless keller is wanting out AZ is not trading him.
Forum: NHLFeb. 11 at 9:35 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I see you didn't watch any of the video's

But as you wish, The best one is:

Tom Wilson on Artemi Panarin AND Pavel Buchnevich - 1 game suspension and a $5 000 fine on May 3rd, 2021

Here's the link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/brawl-ensues-wilson-crosschecks-buchnevich-body-slams-panarin/


And:

Jaco Trouba on Trent Fredric - $5 000 fine on November 23rd, 2023

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuAXPRrOnfs</div></div>

Your first comp is the Wilson on Panarin scrum, which I'm pretty sure -nobody- was happy with the outcome of. If your first "comp" is an incident that was widely condemned as one of the worst DoPS decisions in the past few years, I don't think it's gonna carry the water you want it to.

Your second comp is Trouba and Frederic getting tied up near the goal and Trouba clipping Frederic on the back of the head with a one-handed follow through on his stick. Should it have been called? 100%. Is it anywhere near comparable to what Rielly did? Absofrigginlutely not. It was a hockey play - a sloppy and sneaky play, but it was during the course of action and you could at least make a half-hearted defense of it. Rielly hit Grieg after he scored, with play stopped, in a non-hockey situation. The only reason it wasn't a straight cross-check to the head was Grieg saw it coming and braced himself.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general what all this proves is Parros should not be running DOPS

Thats all we got to take away from all these over punishments this season</div></div>

you can't say that DoPS has been unreliable and not punishing people in the past and then complain that they're "over-punishing" guys this year. if anything, that means that they're actually trying to do the one thing we're all asking them to: be consistent in your punishments and actually try and use these punishments as deterrents. I actually do hope that this is the beginning of them being more of a consistent and useful department that helps legislate the dirtier moments out of this game.
Forum: NHLFeb. 11 at 4:12 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
“Don’t show up the other team” is a rule based on mutual respect, and is found in all major sports leagues despite being in none of their rule books. In baseball, football, nascar there are dozen examples - don’t celebrate on the opposing crest, don’t steal bases when you’re up by 15, don’t initiate physical contact with another driver when you’re laps ahead, etc.

If I were DOPS Morgan would get a fine. Players disrespecting each other constantly would result in way more injuries than what they currently are. Players drawing the line is what keeps that from occurring. These dudes live on the edge of rage. I think if this were any other team, and the same event, the same thing happens. Players do not extremely exaggerate engs because there is mutual respect.

Senators dude totally put his quarter into the face punching machine and pressed start. Nobody should be surprised that the machine then punched him in the face. You can punish the face punching machine all you want, it will be at every game whether it’s suspended or not.

I do gotta talk a little %$#*.

Marner skating up at the end of the scrum and doing nothing was exceptionally in character. Lol. Sorry not sorry.
Forum: NHLFeb. 11 at 12:26 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stones6160</b></div><div>I guess I’ll toss my two cents into this

What Grieg did was objectively not the classiest move and well that’s a lesson learned looking at it for him now

However. Reilly 100% intentionally crossed checked him in the face. Can’t even say his stick went up his shoulders. He didn’t touch them at all. That’s a chicken move and does not have a place in hockey, if you’re actively defending Reilly here, idk man, the excuse of “oh look at back then” is over. It’s a newer, safer era of hockey. Accept it. Saying that’s embellishing is craaaazy
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I remember a more violent game. I would be 100% okay if someone took a run at Grieg during play. Or if a player dropped the gloves and pummeled him, even if he wasn't a willing participant. You send your message and take your penalty for charging or instigating if the refs see fit as the price to send the message if necessary. I'd be fine with that. If you can't do it tonight, you bank it for next time.

What you simply cannot do is just hit people in the face with a stick while the puck isn't even in play. Especially after a slap to an empty net. Grieg's wasn't even a violent play begging for some score settling. Just salt in your Leafy wounds. World class stupid, crosscheck and indefensible. You couldn't do it even when the game wasn't obsessed with player safety. Certainly can't do it now. Just tune him up next game.

Whatever the sentence ends up being (and let's face it, who the heck knows with DOPS), he earned it. The FAFO people cheering on Reilly might find that FAFO sword cuts both directions.
Forum: NHLFeb. 10 at 11:39 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Perron,s not a great comparable due to the situation and once again everyone agreed to much for we saw stuff like he did = 1 or 2 games

If Rielly gets 5 it shows Dops once again has no idea what it's doing as if u keep over suspending for stuff like this but don't do a thing for more serious stuff or have it 1-2 games we go no where

That's all there is to it. But so far Parros has shown to be inadequate of running the department

1-2 games is the most rielly will probs get based on comparable with Perron being an outlier

10 is just silly talk. As that = guy going to hospital unresponsive</div></div>

What is the comparable?
Dale Hunter?

2 games if that was during a hockey play.
Would be consistent while earlier sanctions.

But he crosschecked him in head.
After the whistle, after a goal.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 7 at 1:49 p.m.
Thread: Zeeg ass
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>As a Habs fan I would do this and use our pick 6-10 on a replacement.

Mailloux and Barron are working out as well and with Guhle playing on the right, there is less pressure.</div></div>

I wouldn't. Too risky imo. As controversial as the Reinbacher pick was, he's still the defacto "best Dman" of that draft, and clearly the RD prospect with the highest upside (by a wide margin) over guys like Barron and Mailloux for the Habs.

I'm not buying Guhle playing on the right side as a long-term solution. As for Barron and Mailloux...Barron from an offensive perspective is basically already an NHL top 4 dman, but because of his defensive inconsistencies, I can see MTL having doubts on overcommitting to him (and he probably gets a bridge deal this offseason). Mailloux is almost having a "perfect" AHL rookie season. He's cleaned up his defensive game, and showed his offensive talent is borderline elite levels, and is an AHL all-star AS A ROOKIE. Habs management are probably really excited about Mailloux's progress.
That being said, I don't think there's enough of a sample size on any of Guhle at RD or Barron and Mailloux for MTL to move Reinbacher.


Only way I see the Habs getting Zegras, is them offering their 2024 1st rd pick +. And a lot still needs to be determined. If the pick is too low (13th-16th overall range) I think ANA passes. If the pick is too high (top 5-7 pick) Habs will pass. The pick would need to be in that sweet spot (between 8th and 12th overall imo), and for MTL to value Zegras over whoever they would pick AND for ANA to have a target in mind that they would be willing to sacrifice Zegras to get. Then based off of both teams accepting the "core" of the trade, most likely Habs would be adding secondary asset(s) to get the deal done.