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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 29, 2020 at 11:48 p.m.
Thread: CanadiensMapleLeafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leaf_fan_74</b></div><div>Dumping Cece's contract when all said in done would equate to $800,000 in cap relief. Noting we could bury 1 million for his remaining 1.8mil in the minors; therefore, bailing on it now is terrible economics. Unless some value is recaptured in trading Cece, his contract is just a pill we Leaf fans need to swallow. We are surely not going to sell the fresh talent for a rental. Not one realistic hockey person would agree to swap Kapanen and Petry are close to equal in value. Hey, Petry is not a bad player, and I'm not suggesting that at all; however, his contract status is a point of contention when compared to the sweetheart contract of Kapanen. BTW, I think CeCe is not terrible as a 3rd pairing defender, and I can live with him for the rest of the season. FYI, I am not confident this is our year to go all in, meaning I am on the trade UFA's for futures team myself.</div></div>

Another value of him leaving is that he won't be taking the place of a better player anymore. Think about it, once Rielly is back, he's gonna knock someone down. With Dermott able to play the right (which he can and has) that meens one of Sandin, Dermott or Holl will get bumped out when Rielly returns. Do you really think they're gonna scratch 4.5M$ Ceci before those guys? I'd rather not take the risk. They have to play their best players and all 3 of those guys are better than Ceci.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 29, 2020 at 11:42 p.m.
Thread: CanadiensMapleLeafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leaf_fan_74</b></div><div>Dumping Cece's contract when all said in done would equate to $800,000 in cap relief. Noting we could bury 1 million for his remaining 1.8mil in the minors; therefore, bailing on it now is terrible economics. Unless some value is recaptured in trading Cece, his contract is just a pill we Leaf fans need to swallow. We are surely not going to sell the fresh talent for a rental. Not one realistic hockey person would agree to swap Kapanen and Petry are close to equal in value. Hey, Petry is not a bad player, and I'm not suggesting that at all; however, his contract status is a point of contention when compared to the sweetheart contract of Kapanen. BTW, I think CeCe is not terrible as a 3rd pairing defender, and I can live with him for the rest of the season. FYI, I am not confident this is our year to go all in, meaning I am on the trade UFA's for futures team myself.</div></div>

The value is in getting Petry as a return. Habs don't do that trade without a RHD in return because they don't have any other semi-capable RHDs (not even on the farm). As I explained in the later part of my first comment (which you explicitly said you didn't read to the end) I would prefer this deal to have Johnsson in place of Kapanen. Making a fair trade for a RHD with term is NOT going all in, it's just making your team better. They're not selling the farm for a superstar here. We're talking about what is essentially a 3rd line winger for a top 4 D-man. Honestly, with the top end talent the Leafs have, in every season they make the playoffs they SHOULD try to win the cup. Every player who won the cup will tell you that once you're in, there's more luck involved with winning the cup than anything else. Going ALL-IN as you say it is not really doable in the cap world. You can't do like the 90s Rangers or the 2004 Leafs. That's why they're trying to get a guy with term.

If you're talking about ALWAYS building for the future, you'd have to get rid of important guys every year just to get value from their contract before they leave. Do you think they should get rid of Tyson Barrie before the playoffs just to get a return from a guy who will be gone next year? If your answer is yes, you're just not seeing the big picture here....which is winning the cup and trying to do that every year.

Remember this, the best team on paper almost NEVER wins the cup.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 29, 2020 at 4:21 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 29, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.
Thread: CanadiensMapleLeafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leaf_fan_74</b></div><div>Ok if Petry is so good behind Weber (Habs' #1RHD), why are the habs so far out of the playoff hunt? So let me sum this up, the impressively performing Habs #2 RHD defensemen is to become the Leafs #1 RDH, and the Leaf's should grossly overpay the Habs because the Leafs eligibly appear to have overpaid for another defender. Does this really make sense to you... come on be honest? Maybe a little wishful thinking, may....be? Check your bias, please!</div></div>

The Habs standing in the league isn't Jeff Petry's fault.
1- The Habs have a very top-heavy D where 3 guys get WAY more ice-time then everyone and those 3 are within less than a minute of each other.
2- Petry has actually taken Weber's spot on the top powerplay unit
3- Which RHD that's currently on the Leafs is better than Jeff Petry? None, so that makes him their new #1 D. (Habs bias? I'm a Leafs fan but sure...)
4- Ceci is a salary dump, not a valuable asset. It actually costs something to get rid of him.
5- Weal is only there to make the trade cap compliant.
6- You can read the rest of my comment now to actually get the whole message.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 29, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.
Thread: CanadiensMapleLeafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leaf_fan_74</b></div><div>Funny how everyone wants Kapanen; even funnier when everyone else wants him that Toronto doesn't and is desperately looking to give him away!</div></div>

Toronto is not desperately looking to give Kapanen away. The media portrays him as a possible trade piece when looking to acquire an expensive need (top 4 RHD with term). People seem to forget nobody could possibly know what GMs think. Supposed "experts" and "analysts" take their best guess, publish this guess through an article and are very rarely right. Fans of other teams mock these articles as if they were written by Kyle Dubas.

This trade proposal is not that far off. Ceci is very expensive for a nuissance while Petry would instantly become a reasonable priced #1RHD in Toronto. This guy figures Kapanen and a 3rd is the price to pay for that upgrade, while also upgrading the Habs left side. Frankly, I think we could eliminate Weal from this proposal as he would be useless in Toronto all through next season. Ceci wouldn't help the Habs either but his contract is up this year and the Habs aren't making the playoffs anyways.

Personally, If the Habs and Leafs decided they were trade partners I think it would be due to the Habs FINALLY deciding to be in selling mode and it would be a blockbuster. Toronto would want Petry and Domi and be willing to give up on many middling assets and picks/prospects to make it happen. Something like Johnsson, Kapanen, Ceci, Bracco and a pick.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 29, 2020 at 11:30 a.m.
Thread: Parayko for Johnsson and Barrie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_Fan11</b></div><div>What do you think it would take to pry Parayko out of St. Louis?</div></div>

For either Parayko or Pietrangelo it's tough as the Blues are a solid team all the way through. The only weak-ish part in that lineup is the fact they're forced to play Jordan Kyrou as the #1RW at the moment, but only because Tarasenko is out with a shoulder injury. They're not gonna bother trading for a real #1RW because they're obviously making the playoffs and by then and Taraskenko will be back.

Since their lineup is so solid throughout and how their roster cap is structured, I can't even see a possible way of doing them a cap favor. Taking back a less efficient contract and have the meens to replace it with a better one, The Leafs would also need the ability to bury this contract because they really can't take on more salary then Parayko would bring. The only "bad" contracts are Steen and Bozak yet they make up 2/3 of the best 3rd line in hockey, and you wouldn't be able to burry their cap in the minors because they're both on one way deals, cap relief would only be 1.075M$ for sending them down.

Basically, the Blues are too solid of a roster and are too well structured cap-wise for the Leafs to be in a position to make them a real good offer. You'd have to make them an offer so good they can't refuse which meens getting rid of elite young assets which the Leafs aren't going to do. It would have to be Johnsson (for cap relief), Barrie (as a present replacement) plus you'd have to give them a futur replacement like Liljegren for them to even take a snif at it. You'd probly have to add a pick as a sweetner to make it happen. Leafs would never pay Johnsson, Barrie, Liljegren and a pick for Parayko, but that's what it would take. The Leafs and Blues are not good trade partners. It's just not happening.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 6, 2020 at 12:05 p.m.
Thread: Predicting Next Year
Why is everyone so ready to get rid of Kapanen? His cap hit is below average, he's 23, he's predictably gonna get 20 goals 45 pts for the forseeable futur and has ridiculous speed which he utilises on BOTH special teams. In my eyes, just him for Fabbro is a downgrade....the rest is complete waste. He's a good value player and the key to winning team is to sign "difference makers" when you can and fill the rest with GOOD VALUE.
If you want to get rid of a middling caphit to find space, get rid of Johnsson. He's obviously replacable, doesn't play the PK, puts up similar numbers to Kappy but does it while playing with Matthews while Kapanen does it from the third line (whoever that is on that night) Basically, the numbers are similar but Kappy is better in EVERY way, he is younger and makes less money.

It's a no brainer.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 21, 2019 at 4:00 p.m.
Thread: New healthy Leafs under Keefe Ceci gets traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafboy101</b></div><div>If u wanna get technical Ceci is the leafs best defensemen right now just look up all the possible stats u can. everyone hates him and thinks he’s bad because he doesn’t make that flashy pass or move to get open and free to score a goal or get a nice assist, he’s a stay at home guy who can play 20-22 minutes a night and be an above average defensemen not a big offensive guy</div></div>

It's not because he's not flashy or offensive that I don't like him. It's cause he's not those things while also sucking at defense. His mistakes and missed assignments are HUGE, just as bad as Rielly, but Rielly makes up for it in offense. As Concerned Children's Advertises emphasised in their "What's your thing?" commercial....."nobody's good at everything, but everybody's good at something". What's Ceci's thing?