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Ryanma260
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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 5, 2022 at 2:26 a.m.
Thread: Maple Leafs
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Thread: Maple Leafs
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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 13, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.
Thread: Anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Thanks for the lengthy reply to my response. (I didn't quote it to save space.) The short version of my opinion is this, which conflicts with one thing you said above: the year that Joe Sakic (no gull) traded for Darcy Kuemper, he had a 0.907 save percentage (hardly a "Vezina type number"). Gibson's save percentage over the past three years, as you point out, is a little over 0.903%. That's fewer than 4 goals in 1,000 shots. So if one year of Darcy Kuemper is worth a first and an A prospect, shouldn't 5 years of John Gibson be worth at least twice as much? I'm not saying -- no where near saying -- that Gibson should return 5 times as much; I'm just saying that I think that he's seriously undervalued in most quarters. Samsonov and 3 seconds isn't close to Gibson's proper value, nor would a late first, a second and Samsonov be. (I also think that you're seriously overvaluing one year of Lars Eller. $3.5 million for a guy who didn't come close to averaging half a point a game on a team good enough to make the playoffs isn't very impressive.)</div></div>

Kuemper may have posted a .907 in 27 games the year before he was traded (it was a .914 in the first 18 games, then he missed a month+ with an MCL injury and struggled in the final 9 games), but he had a .928 the year before that (and came in 7th in the Vezina voting), and a .925 the year before that (5th in Vezina voting). Gibson's now had three straight years of sub-.904 save percentages. Kuemper just had to bounce back from a slightly below average half-season, and even then people were shocked at the price he returned and the assumption most people had was that the Avs overpaid because they were caught off guard when Grubauer got that massive contract from Seattle and acted out of desperation. Gibson has to bounce back from a 142 game, 8000 minute sample of being consistently well below average. Finding examples of guys pulling out of declines as bad as Gibson's is really rare. I went over every three year span since the 05 lockout looking for goalies with three straight &lt;.905 SV% seasons (min 120 GP over the three years). Most of these guys were out of the league within two years of that stretch. I found three who had .915+ seasons as the starter in the year after that stretch. Two of them are not great comps because they happened at the start of the guy's career. Cam Ward's first three NHL seasons are a fit, they stuck with him cause of the Conn Smyth his rookie year, and then he settled in as a starter at age 24. Steve Mason's 2nd through 4th seasons after winning the Calder also fit, then like Ward he turned it around at age 24 and had 4 good years before tailing off. The only one that also (somewhat) fits the age range is Ondrej Pavelec, who had a similar three year stretch at age 24-26, the first three years in Winnipeg (the first year is a .906, but close enough). He spiked a .920 the next season, then fell back to .904 the next year and was out of the league by 31.

Expecting teams to overlook that extended stretch of bad play and the rarity of coming back from it is ridiculous, and the extra years on his contract only make betting on a bounce-back even more dangerous. I think his value would honestly be a lot higher if he had one year left on his contract, because then if he puts up a 4th straight terrible season at least you can move on. I'm sure some team will gamble on him, but I really doubt he gets the kind of return Ducks fans on this site expect. As a Caps fan, I wouldn't want them to take him for free. The downside with that contract is big enough that it could kill the Caps ability to contend for the rest of Ovie's career.
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