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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2020 at 10:46 p.m.
Thread: Domi for 8th Overall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>I think the people that disagree have common sense and understand that 50-55 point center doesn’t get you a 8th overall pick. what part of this speeds up the rebuild. Does domi make this team better than Toronto Boston or Tampa? How about Pittsburgh Washington philly CBJ islanders or Rangers? Imo no. So if Eichel wants out get a massive return and do an actual rebuild like the rangers did. Quick and intelligently. Getting slightly better but still not being a playoff team seems stupid when giving up a major asset</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>I think the people that disagree have common sense and understand that 50-55 point center doesn’t get you a 8th overall pick. what part of this speeds up the rebuild. Does domi make this team better than Toronto Boston or Tampa? How about Pittsburgh Washington philly CBJ islanders or Rangers? Imo no. So if Eichel wants out get a massive return and do an actual rebuild like the rangers did. Quick and intelligently. Getting slightly better but still not being a playoff team seems stupid when giving up a major asset</div></div>

And I think the people who agree that Domi is worth 8th OVA and are the ones that have a better understanding of hockey in general! They know that a proven NHL top 6 talent is worth more than the hope that an 8th OVA prospect will be an impact player. Being a high draft pick garuntees nothing take Puljujarvi for example picked what was it 3rd OVA really has not done much! Or how about Galchenyuk again a 3rd OVA pick and is on his what 5th team since being drafted! Or how about any of Buffalos own 4 8th OVA selections are any of them better than Domi? Nope! Prospects are great when they work out but of the 200+ drafted a year only something like 20% ever make the NHL and maybe 10% are impact players.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2020 at 10:20 p.m.
Thread: Domi for 8th Overall
I was reading through this thread as well as my own and SABERTOOTH12's and noticed a couple of common patterns. 1. Most Buffalo fans are either all for or on the fence about trading Domi for the 8th OVA pick which suggests to me that the value is close. 2. Most of the ones opposed to it are other Atlantic Division teams fans which suggests 2 things they know the value is there and are worried that both Montreal and Buffalo will get stronger from such a trade over the next few years and the division will become a tighter race where their teams may not make the playoffs. 3. Most of the fans not in the Atlantic suggest Domi's value is worth 8th OVA or at least Domi would be more valuable to the Sabres than the 8th OVA pick to both keeping Eichel in town and accelerating the retool.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2020 at 10:11 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2020 at 6:32 p.m.
Thread: Domi for 8th Overall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>We had this argument last night as well, <a href="/users/mhockey91" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@mhockey91</a> stated NO knowledgeable Sabres fan he has spoken with would trade Domi for 8th OVA and then the comments went on to call me everything from a moron to a clown for suggesting he was so good luck with this thread</div></div>

But I'm NOT trading Domi for the 8th overall pick -- I'm trading the 8th overall pick for Domi plus the 39th overall pick.

Moreover, I hold <a href="/users/sabertooth12" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@sabertooth12</a> in pretty high esteem as a "knowledgeable Buffalo fan," and he gets the credit if any is due for the goodness of this idea; as the saying goes, I get the criticism if it's a bad one.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 3, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2020 at 3:50 p.m.
Thread: STOP TRADING 8OA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabertooth12</b></div><div>The Sabres are just so bad at drafting that they would manage to find the only bust in the top 10 of this class. This fan base (and frankly Eichel) are sick of waiting for these "star" players to develop. From a fan that has suffered through Girgensens, Grigorenko, Ristolainen, Reinhart not coming even close to living up to a #2 pick (albeit solid), Nylander, Mittelstadt... they need a new approach and I completely disagree with guys like Holtz, Raymond, Perfetti being NHL ready. This past season, two of them were barely SHL ready. They need to surround Cozens and Mitts with established players for them to reach their ceiling</div></div>


Drafting at 8 will make sure Eichel asks out in a year.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
Thread: STOP TRADING 8OA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>They'd be foolish to not consider it, IMO. You are WAY overvaluing the draft pick and WAY overestimating the Sabres ability to get that pick right.

Between 2001 and 2015 there were 39 forwards taken with picks <strong>4-7</strong>. If we rearrange them by P/GP performance we can see the odds of getting a difference-maker:

Superstar (1.00+ P/GP): 0/39 = 0%
Elite (0.75 - 0.99): 8/39 = 20.5%
Top-6 (0.50 - 0.74): 17/39 = 43.6%
Bottom-6 (&lt; 0.50): 14/39 = 35.9%

I did that research when Buffalo was slotted to get the 7th pick, but since they're now picking 8th lets repeat the procedure but with picks 8-10. Forwards only, from 2001 to 2015 inclusive:

Superstar (1.00+ P/GP): 0/27 = 0%
Elite (0.75 - 0.99): 2/27 = 7.4%
Top-6 (0.50 - 0.74): 11/27 = 40.7%
Bottom-6 (&lt; 0.50): 14/27 = 51.9%

High picks are great, but (cap aside) if you have a chance to trade your #8 pick for an established player in his early 20's who scores 0.67 P/GP you shouldn't dismiss that as "foolish". Only 2 of the players in the Top-6 range matched or exceeded 0.67 P/GP, meaning that you typically have a 14.8% chance of getting a player equal to or better (offensively) than Domi with that pick. AGAIN, it depends on who is available there, but to dismiss the notion of trading the pick so hastily is foolish.</div></div>

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You guys might like the odds I posted above.