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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 17, 2018 at 10:57 p.m.
Thread: Leafs cap projection
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vortex</b></div><div>i dont ever see Holl making the team and I think Moore is going to beat Engvall to a job, btw need 3 more players AND the leafs will have to pay Liljegren, Sandin, and Andersen their money. so thats a definate bye to Hyman. But I still see it working, if you don't overpay players like Holl, Johnsson, I can see this working</div></div>

Yeah i could see that moore looks good i know babcock seemed to like him and likes engvall as well. and i overpaid guys to show that leafs can pay everybody.. that johnsson and holl money could be a different player idk just pointing out that they have the money, and Liljegren and Sandin are both going to be on there entry level contracts so they wont get paid for at least 2-3 years anyway
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31, 2018 at 12:03 p.m.
Thread: the super swedes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rush5154</b></div><div>Yes I am a Redwings fan, but I watched almost every Leaf game this year. I listen to TSN 1050's Overdrive podcast and it's Leafs focused, so I like to be updated on what they talk about.

Marner had almost no leash with Babcock early in the season. One or two bad games, Marner was sent down to the fourth line for 4-5 games. Babcock has done that to Nylander too, but Nylander plays with two young and fast players. Also, notice how Nylander is fairly unimpactful when Matthews is out of the line-up. Marner is like Patrick Kane, he can make most lines dangerous with him just being on the ice. Nylander needs to play with another elite player because he can't generate too much on his own.

Marner - up until getting moved to a line with Kadri and Marleau - was playing with two slow players who are not high end offensive talents. Yes - JVR scored 35 goals this year, but he doesn't score off the rush or make defenseman back up when he enters the zone. He scores on the powerplay from in tight and/or around the net. If Babcock locks both of Nylander and Marner in on their top 2 lines for the entire season, and doesn't penalize them or push them down the line-up, I guarantee you Marner will out perform Nylander.

Two years in a row, Marner has out performed Nylander in points per game in the regular season and in the playoffs. The only reasons the Bruins Leafs series went 7 games was due to Marner and Andersen. Everyone else on the Leafs were awful.

I'll admit - one star rating was a tad harsh. It should have been a 2-3 star.</div></div>

I really think you're undervaluing the type of player nylander is.. Nylander was pretty good without matthews and he was also playing C which he has not played since he was in the AHL so its an adjustment and he really was only playing with hyman and hyman isnt very good offensively i do think he is a good player tho but like id rather JVR on my wing then hyman offensively
. I think marner and nylander are both fantastic players and even if one ends up better then the other it wont be by much.
now about marner having a shorter leash that isnt true at all nylander has the shortest leash by far out of the 3. and JVR and bozak are both good players and im willing to bet most a decent amount of marners points came of a JVR/bozak goal or assist considering he scored a decent amount of points on the PP with JVR and Bozak.
and yes nylander is obviously better with matthews LOL but its the same both ways because matthews was clearly better when nylander got moved to his wing last year

&amp; of course listening to he Overdrive podcast you're gonna hear that marner is better , he is canadian hes from TO and he isnt a swede lol. It been the same since Sundin toronto media will always say swedes dont work hard enough or have enough hart ect ...
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31, 2018 at 11:42 a.m.
Thread: Taking a step back?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>Honestly, dude...I could care less whether you believe me. Makes absolutely zero difference to me.

Apparently you're looking to argue with me. Why? I don't know. I've never stated any proposed scenario as a set in stone fact. Also..just because someone's agent starts negotiations somewhere...doesn't mean that's where they end up....that's the whole point of a negotiation. The whole point of the roster built above was to make sure the financial flexibility is there.

I'm on record on various threads stating I have no idea what Marner's cap number is going to be.

Not sure what's warranted your antagonistic tone...but no, I didn't forget the first half of the season. I was actually a little bit happy at the start of last season when him and Nylander were playing piss poor because I thought the Leafs could get the re-signed to lower contracts. You're ignoring both facts and my comments, though. Marner gets moved up to the 2nd line. He immediately catches fire and both him and Kadri break out of their slumps. All of the sudden, when he's on the ice, he completely runs the offence. If it's you and your agent...and you sit down with Leaf brass...and they bring up the 1st half of the season and use that to argue why they think $6.5m is a fair number...maybe you decide to bet on yourself...hold off signing until July 2019 when your entry contract is actually up...and hope you put up big numbers.

Could he put up a stinker of a year in 18-19 and see his next contract in the $6m range? Sure...entirely possible. Could he play beside Matthews all year and both put up 100pts? Sure..entirely possible. And if that happens...and Kane/Toews signed matching $10.5m deals back in 2014 when the salary cap was $69m...what do you think is possible for Matthews-Marner if the 19-20 cap is $82m?

Again...I'm not claiming to state what WILL happen...just what COULD. Big difference.

I love Babcock as a coach and hockey stategist...and don't like to stereotype...but I'm sure there's a learning curve for him in dealing with the personalities of superstar millennials. Does he have to change the lineup to appease their complaints? No, of course not. But does that mean the players don't b*tch about him behind his back? No.</div></div>

Im not looking to argue looking to debate, babcock is hard on his players of course theyre gonna b*itch about him im sure every coach gets bitched about cuz i know i bitched about my coaches even the ones i liked the most. and as for marner taking a bridge deal I dont see that happening just based on the fact the Marner clearly loves toronto and wants to be here i could see him talking a team friendly deal but either way even if he doesnt he isnt going to get much more if he does get more then nylander I think the world of both of them and they both deserve 7 mill plus in my opinion but i dont think either deserves 8 or more but who knows maybe marner has an 100 point season next year hope he does still dont think he gets anything near matthews. Matthews is a far better player and more value as a centre. and as far as i know Marner has the same agent as josh anderson .. different players marner is way better but anderson waiting and ending up taking less and i dont think thats the only client he has thats done that
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31, 2018 at 11:12 a.m.
Thread: the super swedes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rush5154</b></div><div>A lot to digest here.

1. Nylander and Marner will not sign for the same contract. Marner is the better and more consistent player, and does not need to sign this year. His agent is aggressive and will wait and see what Nylander signs for first, then adjust his asking price for Marner accordingly. Marner may end up taking a bridge deal, well knowing that if he bets on himself to out perform his bridge deal that he could land an even bigger one down the road.

2. Dumba and his camp knows there is a lot of interest for him this off-season. He will not sign for 4 million AAV, especially 3 years from now. The cap is going up, and his agent will be negotiating his deal based on the percentage of the cap that his comparables sign/signed to.</div></div>

would love to know how marner is the better more consistent player, up until about the trade deadline marner was not good at all, if he didnt have a monster back half youre looking at a very underwhelming season as for nylander he has been pretty consistent in both years he has been in the league so far and scored a decent amount more 5v5 then marner did and he also played down the middle for a bit of the season and for a young guy all the pressure to be good in your own zone from babcock im sure took a little bit of nylanders offensive game away for a bit while he got adjusted .

as for dumba I said the contracts are not exactly what i think they really would be , he will prob get around 6mill i would assume maybe a bit less. or maybe more if he takes a step.

and a one star rating ? come on lol i guess as a detriot fan you do know more about leafs players.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31, 2018 at 11:04 a.m.
Thread: Taking a step back?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>I will answer each question individually.
1. I am close with the gentleman who used to be Marner's agent (before his stock began to rise and he changed to a bigger firm). He is still in contact regularly with his father. I think it was February when he told me about tensions between Matthews-Babcock...I kind of brushed it off at the time but looks like there was something to it. Matthews and Marner want to play together on the same line.

2. I think $6.2 is a reasonable number for Nylander...just my opinion. Maybe a bit higher if he goes max term. Maybe he wants to go bridge and try and build himself into #2C status before inking his 3rd contract. I don't know but I kind of went with the middle ground. Marner was on pace for a 100pt season after getting moved to the 2nd line. He was the Leafs' best performer in the playoffs. If he holds out re-signing until after the 18-19 season and he puts up 80-100pts...how much do you think his agent will be asking for? I'm not saying that's what for sure is going to happen...but that I've planned for it's potential

3. The leafs don't need Spezza, in particular. But they do need a 3C. Bozak could be a very good option if he's willing to take a home town discount in exchange for a few years of term. No one is arguing that Spezza is a top player anymore. The idea with trading for him was to fill one of the bottom 6 centre positions with a veteran player...move Martin's contract out in the process...and utilize some of the cap space we will have for the 18-19 season. He only has 1 year left on the deal so it's not a big risk and, with Martin going the other way...it's really only $5m for him for one year...while saving $2.5 for 2019-20.

4. Nylander might very well be Plan A right now for the 3C role. Again, I'm just trying our a variety of different looks for this roster. If you read some of my comments above, you'll see that, in any given ACGM roster I publish...it's not necessarily me saying this is what I think will or should happen...just playing around with different scenarios.</div></div>

if marner does have a monster season next year and get 80-100 points i still dont see him making 10mill. but it seems like you forgot about marners first half of the season because he was not good at all take that in to account and if marner doesnt have a monster back half youre looking at a pretty big step back compared to his rookie season, and as for the matthews rumour .. its a rumour first of all and you're saying its coming from marners dad and his old agent ? i dont believe you there sorry. And cool marner and matthews wanna play together im sure a lot of guys wanna play together , babcock is coach the lineup he puts out is his choice and i personally think matthews and nylander are better together so why change that ?