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Forum: Armchair-GM2 hours ago
Thread: tij iginla and marksrtom trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Lets clarify something. Hellebuyck and Demko are going to be #1 and #2 in Vezina voting. After that it will be something like Oettinger or Shesterkin simply due to to the teams success. But Markstrom has had for the most part an excellent season and will absolutely get Vezina votes. Not a finalist but probably 5th to 7th in voting.

Money Puck and Evolving Hockey use 2 different methods for xG. Evolving Hockey uses Fenwick (includes missed shots) as it's base and Money Puck only uses Shots on Goal. Until about the last month of the season Markstrom was ~4th on MP and 2nd on EH. The TDL rumours along with the complete downgrade of defensive play in front of him tanked his numbers quite a lot</div></div>

Fair enough, let's wait and see. but my real point was Markstrom is a 34 year old goalie who hasn't waived his NMC (also why would he to one of the highest tax rates in a a tough division) add to this that the Kings have for under $2M done fairly well with budget goaltending.

If LA did pay big pieces for an upgrade at goal to me it looks like Saros (or Ullmark if he changes his mind) are the only ones who makes sense as legitimate goaltending upgrades. But if it costs LA Roy reupping or a solid LD3, is getting an upgrade at goal really make the Kings a contender? Gibson and Markstrom are exceptional goalies, but the realistic asking price for these guys along with there age make them less than stellar trade targets for most teams with goalie issues.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: tij iginla and marksrtom trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>LMAO your entire argument is SV%? How do you expect a goalie to have a high SV% when they are bombarded with high danger shots every game? There is a reason Markstrom finished the season with almost 29 Goals Saved Above Expected and Talbot finished with 15. Hell even Rittich was better than Talbot when he played
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Maybe my numbers here are wrong, but on Moneypuck I see Markstrom as 9th. Is this all situations?

And although GSVx is typically a great indicator of how well the goaltender has done, can you name a Vezina finalist who has had a below a .910SV%. Like Jusse Saros would be the best comparable with the highest GSAx and 4th in Vezina voting last season, but he also had a .919 SV% and 2.69GAA.

I'll eat crow if Markstrom gets a single Vezina vote, but that's a bold statement in my opinion and an interesting hill to die on.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:52 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:34 p.m.
Thread: Ranking first overall picks since 2000
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Playoff scoring since 2022: <a href="https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20212022&amp;seasonTo=20232024&amp;gameType=3&amp;sort=points,goals,assists&amp;page=0&amp;pageSize=50" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20212022&amp;seasonTo=20232024&amp;gameType=3&amp;sort=points,goals,assists&amp;page=0&amp;pageSize=50</a>

McDavid lacks "compete level"? He's not a playoff performer?

Sure, bud.</div></div>

I have said several times, I would like to see McDavid win a cup before I say he's the best player drafted over the last 25 years. If that is a point of contention we are at an impasse.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:04 p.m.
Thread: Ranking first overall picks since 2000
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Schuyler</b></div><div>Yeah I mean I don't think anyone is saying anything bad about Crosby he's for sure #2 here but McDavid is one of the best playoff performers of all time literally Gretzky and Lemieux stats in the modern era its insane not his fault he's had so many horrible GMs and teams. He has nearly x2 the regular season awards at 27 lead the league in playoff points in 2022 without playing in the final and last year had 20 points in the first 2 rounds Eichel lead the playoffs with 26 just insane to say McDavid needs to do more</div></div>

I think "best" is a subjective term here, best should be who positions you to win the most games. McDavid is not a one man machine, and from hockey pundits to vegas, no one thinks of Edmonton as an empty threat team.

If you think McDavid could retire today and still be considered the best player drafted over the last 25 years, I'd agree on skill, not just yet on compete level.

I believe compete level is proven by playoff performance, I don't think it's crazy to say if McDavid doesn't get a cup appearance for his career he is not considered the best player drafted over the last 25 years.

I also think it's myopic to say the only reason the Oilers haven't won a cup is because of management. The Oilers have one of the strongest top-6 in the entire league, they have solid defense, and really just weak at goaltending, but several recent cup winners have overcome those odds. Vegas, hockey pundits, and most fans wouldn't be surprised to see the OIlers make the cup final, so I don't think we can just say "bad GM. on any other team McDavid would win a cup"
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 12:38 p.m.
Thread: Ranking first overall picks since 2000
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div>I guess the point isn't getting across...

McDavid being stuck with a **** GM who can't build a team around him doesn't make Crosby the better player.</div></div>

McDavid has proven he can be the best player in the league during the regular season. There is no argument there.

My argument is McDavid will be considered a better player than Crosby when he wins a cup and a conn smythe.

The ultimate goal of any pick is to win a cup. The highest award in the game of Hockey is the Stanley Cup, which Sidney Crosby has won 3 times, 2 of which he was considered the best player during those 32 wins, he did that on back-to-back seasons, something never done in the history of the game.

Point totals, longevity of career, hardware, and cups should all be important when discussing a player being hall-of-fame worthy. Every name other than McDavid on that top-5 has won a cup. I just want to see a guy in his prime win a cup before I say he's the best draft pick in 25 years.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:56 p.m.
Thread: Shakeup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fail4Nail</b></div><div>Brodin was injured for almost 20 games, Spurgen gone for basically the whole season...that's the Wild's top pairing right there. Any team that loses their top pair will have a struggling goalie. ***note that i know Faber stepped in and played great***

My argument on the Kings superior defensive structure is exemplified by Talbot and Rittich. Talbot is well passed the days he was a legit starter, but he put together a very good season. Look at Rittich's past season stats, he's never been as good as he was this season. Its obvious that they're success was because of the Kings system...</div></div>

Wild have already committed to MAF and Gustavasson is the odd man out with Wallsted coming.

LA could go after Lankinen, Murray, Sorokin, etc. for free and likely at cheaper contracts without giving up a 2nd or Kaliyev. I dont get why they are paying so much for something the Wild have to do.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:31 p.m.