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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 11:27 p.m.
Thread: May as well LTIR it up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>Oh I don't anticipate them going for him, but i'm just saying what it would cost now.

I guess it depends the lineup that Van wants to run, but i'd say Guentzel is the better fit on wing if they ran Pettersson/Miller/suter/Blueger down the middle and then Jake on the wing for probably Petterson

but that's me.</div></div>

Nah, Vancouver's real lack was 2C, Pettersson can do it, but it makes more sense to run the Lotto line with essentially lines 2a and 2b. Lindholm makes multiple lines better at once by easing the draws on Miller, Pettersson, Blueger, and Suter rather than Guentzel improving only his line. Obviously, Guentzel is superior offensively, but Lindholm's versatility makes him the more valuable asset for Vancouver.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 11:19 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 10:56 p.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Bruz: leading scorer in the OHL 1 year removed from his draft
Abramov: mediocre AHLer 4 years removed from his draft.

Delusional if you can’t tell the difference.

Abramov=Jurmo if you want to try and get real technical about it.

You mean when you couldn’t tell the difference between individual xGoals and on ice xGoals?

And then didn’t understand how adjusted stats vs unadjusted stats worked?</div></div>

Bruzterwicz is not leading the OHL, he was, but he's fallen off in the last month.

Abramov was 21-years old and averaging a 0.5 P/GP in the AHL, Raty was 20-years old and averaging 0.5 P/GP in the AHL. Raty is a great prospect, Abramov was a great prospect.

My guy, you were the hypocrite saying that xGF% stat doesn't matter and then turning and using that exact stat to try and prove your point when debating a different person about Jack Hughes.

I understand how adjusted stats vs unadjusted stats work, you didn't realize that ES means Even Strength in all situations and 5v5 is the standard.

Look dude, it's clear you're new to the hockey fandom, which is great, I'm happy that you've found the sport. However, it's not great to use stats and details you only half understand from google searches and try to pass it off as your knowledge. It's okay to be wrong and admit you're wrong, but you need to be willing to admit it and grow from it to truly learn.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 10:37 p.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Abramov was a former 2019 4th round pick turned into a mediocre AHLer. His worth is nothing except for the fact that the leafs needed to clear a contract slot (there’s a maximum of 50)

Gaudette another 26 year old AHLer contract slot.

These guys have 0 value. Probably both together for Jurmo sure but overall meaningless.

1st+Bruz=1st+2nd

3rd for Acciari.

meaningless never to be NHLers=meaningless never to be NHLers.

That leaves
4th+kizmenko=nothing

Cap dump. But keep jumping through hurdles of delusion.</div></div>

Lmao by that logic of Abramov = nothing then Brzterwicz = nothing

C'mon if you want to have a conversation then let's have one, making up facts and assigning incorrect values to players you don't like or are on teams you're jealous of, like you're doing, shouldn't be part of that.

Edit: Oh wait, you're that guy who confused 5v5 with ES insisting they were the same data, and then said that xGF% doesn't matter for Kuzmenko when you'd just said it does in another post about Jack Hughes, of course, you're going to make up facts to prove your point.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 10:30 p.m.
Thread: What Not Gorging on the Biggest Piece of the Pie Might Look Like
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Not how LTIR works</div></div>

You'd be right if it was for this season, but it's for next season and <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq">that is how LTIR works.</a> This is for next season, ACSL + Relief Pool is established at the start of the year. If the Habs are planning on continuing a rebuild, they aren't (or shouldn't) be spending to the cap. They're still going to have Price's contract on the books regardless, adding Poolman's can allow them to be closer to the upper limit and set a higher ACSL. Poolman and Price on LTIR still give Montreal the cap space they'd have anyway with possible accrual (if they're spending below ACSL, like sending player(s) down or trading at the start of the season.), the extra cap space would allow them to acquire bad cap hit(s) for picks (like they did with Monahan.) It would take a little bit more cap-related nuance than that with how complex ACSL is, but that's the simpled concept.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 10:17 p.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>There is a HUGE difference between the #1 and #3 pick. There is NOT a huge difference between the #25 and #27 especially months before the draft.

LMAO you are really struggling here trying to be dead right, and what is the first word in the phrase "dead right"? O'Reilly is the comparable as demonstrated by every analyst. He got ONE first round pick, Vancouver gave up ONE first round pick in this trade. How do you figure Kuz is worth a 1st+ than, MEANING that would be worth TWO first round picks and that's not the value. Kuz was worth a 2nd in this trade comparable to O'Reilly period...end of story</div></div>

We have direct comparisons at the time of both trades. We can see that Kuzmenko is worth a 2nd + 3rd + 3rd given what the Leafs gave up. A 2nd + 3rd + 3rd is equal to a 1st+

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>1st+2nd=1st+Bruz

the 3rd last year was for Acciari

4th+Jurmo=the 2 nothing prospects

Kuzmenko had 0 or negative value</div></div>

You're forgetting Abramov, the nothing prospect was for Acciari.

So it's a

25th &gt; 27th+

Abramov = Brz

Jurmo = Gaudette

2nd + 3rd &lt; Kuz

2nd + 3rd + 3rd = Kuz
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1 at 8:35 p.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>No, they aren't. The difference between the 25th and 27th pick overall is negligible. The 3rd round pick is something but not a ton because Vancouver struck quickly and well before the trade deadline thus not creating a bidding war and the only criticism by analysts was whether calgary should have held out longer to extract more value. Furthermore, you are also missing the attribute in this trade that Vancouver needed to move Kuz to make the cap work for Lindholm and thus, does not increase the value of Kuz but decreases his value. So at the very most, Kuz is considered worth a 2nd and 3rd in this trade....but never a 1st as you suggest and because of needing to move cap out, versus the O'Reilly trade, I would argue Kuz was only worth a 2nd in this trade.

Also of note, notice Chicago wasn't going to give up a 1st for Kuz, because if they were willing to Vancouver would have gone that route first and given them more valuable assets to work with in a trade to acquire Lindholm. Like we've all been saying, Chicago was never going to give up even a 2nd to take a risk on Kuz.</div></div>

29+76 for 25th in 2018

29+70 for 26th in 2017

28+87 for 26th in 2016

Yeah, they are.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1 at 11:30 a.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Now you understand what Kuz is worth. For a rental for a few months, they paid Kuz, a 1st and two prospects. In other words, Kuz was never worth a 1st or more as you suggested here and what everyone was telling you</div></div>

What do you mean? This is directly comparable to the O'Reilly trades last year (both recent Selke nominees having down years). Plus Lindholm was the best centre available this year in a very limited market.

O'Reilly for a 1st (25th), 2nd, 3rd, b-tier prospect (Abramov), d-tier prospect (Gaudette) - I'm not including Minnesota for the other retention.

Lindholm for a 1st (27th+ as of trade), b-tier prospect (Brz), d-tier prospect (Jurmo), 4th, and Kuzmenko

B-tier/D-tier prospects cancel each other out.

The difference between 25th OA and 27th+ OA is a 3rd-round pick. So that essentially becomes a 2nd + 3rd + 3rd as equal value to Kuzmenko + 4th

Reference the Canes-Kings trade of 2021 or the Canes-Wild trade of 2020, we can see a 3rd + 4th = late 2nd, so two 3rds (minus the 4th) would be about a mid-2nd, Flip the two 2nds for a 1st. Heck, even a 2nd + 3rd can equal a 1st (See CBJ-TOR 2015).

Kuzmenko is worth a 1st. I'll concede that it may have been a slight overpay from Chicago, but again, the Hawks were the ones reported to be keen on Kuz.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Really? Kuz is literally 6th on the team in ATOI and Per Friedman "No question they're looking for a top 6 forward". So VAN believes Kuz shouldn't be 6th or higher in ATOI. That's just 1 quote and math. Sure he goes on to say a position/player than can move around the lineup. No doubt about it, but that doesn't mean VAN isn't trying to move his contract to actually get a top 6 forward.

For the record. I wouldn't mind acquiring Kuz at all! Just has to be for the right price. Hawks aren't in a position to be sending picks away. Like zero 1st and zero 2nds. AWFUL move for the Hawks if EITHER a 1st or 2nd gets moved. But something reasonable...ok. Another post just had the OTT 3rd and Teply. I can yield to that. fine. middle 3rd and an ECHLer.</div></div>

Kuzmenko is a Top-6 forward, but he can't play centre. The Canucks have a gluttony of talented wingers (8 forwards on pace for 20+ goals) and need a reliable 2C so Petey can play on the Lotto line. Kuzmenko is the one teams have been calling about (Chicago and Nashville the most) more than any other player. The idea behind moving Kuzmenko is to earn futures for that reliable 2C because Allvin and Rutherford have explicitly said they don't want to trade away the top prospects. Many fans think a 1st + Kuzmenko is the answer, but teams like Calgary, Pittsburgh, or Anaheim don't want Kuzmenko because he doesn't fit their ask (futures). Moving Kuzmenko to a team looking for scoring assistance (like Chicago or Nashville) that earns the futures we can flip to those teams. Either VAN moves Kuzmenko to a team like CHI for futures and then flips those futures for a 2C (Lindholm, Vatrano, Henrique) or for a lethal first line winger to replace Petey on the 1st line (Guentzel).
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31 at 1:42 p.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>That's not ME putting the emphasis on the Have. That's a quote from Friedman. You are the one saying Friedman is the gospel. You are the one putting in all the quotes. So fine, I'm all for playing by YOUR rules, BUT if we're quoting Friedman...then we going to quote all of it. Not just picking/choosing the parts that best suit you.

"The Canucks have repeatedly said they're not wanting to move Kuzmenko unless it makes sense. " Now this quote is from you...and you're the one making assumptions on what makes sense. How about you just trade Kuz for Bedard. Does that make sense to you? Of course VAN is going to want to maximize value, but if were believing Friedman...Kuz is not a top 6 forward. So why in the world are the Hawks sending a st and a 2nd for a $5M bottom 6 forward.</div></div>

I've not said that Friedman is gospel, I said he's one of the most trusted insiders. You put the have in caps and bold. That's not how he phrased it. I didn't pick and choose the quotes or emphasis certain parts, I included all pieces where he talked about Kuzmenko and Chicago.

Yes, I wrote that, based on interviews with Allvin and Rutherford about Kuzmenko.

Obviously, Kuzmenko is not worth Bedard, Asking for a late 1st + late 2nd for a 30+ goal scorer on a down year whose signed for 1.5 seasons isn't a ridiculous ask. Lindholm is having a down year and is still commanding a 1st + top prospect.

What do you mean "if we're believing Friedman... Kuz is not a top 6 forward." He specifically mentions "Kuzmenko is a [30 goal scorer], he can score, we know he can score." Friedman wouldn't have said that if Kuzmenko wasn't a Top-6 forward.