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Weber and more. Beginnings of a plan. Values?

Created by: ricochetii
Team: 2017-18 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 3, 2018
Published: Jan. 4, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
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Bear with me here. I know this is bound to be polarizing.
1. Montreal solidifies the back end for Edmonton with Weber. Byron as a speedy and responsible player that can keep up with the young guns, and an upgrade/potential future starter to replace Brossoit, or Talbot down the road. It's the price involved that could be an issue.
2. Anderson may be the best budget player, something the Oilers will really need moving forward. Is he available? At what cost?
3. Duclair is a lateral move, and Strome may be worth more, but I think Duclair will complement RNH nicely. He's a simpler player that gets open and puts the puck on the net.

Klefbom would be the next cap casualty. Unless you can get Russel or Sekera to waive their full NMC's, they aren't going anywhere.
The goal is to tighten up a little and play more of a 2 dimensional game. Keep as much of the roster together as possible for a few years, supplement with role players as necessary, and at least get a few deep playoff runs before the cap becomes untenable and you have to start shipping salary out.
Draisaitl and Strome are not going to be the difference between playoffs or no playoffs. Someone like Weber supporting the forward corps will.

I'm ready for an earful, but if you're interested in hockey history, take a look at some other big name defensemen that were used to bolster teams on their way to a Stanley Cup.

Are the Oilers ready to deal? At what cost?
Feel free to comment.
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
25$75,000,000$66,207,475$825,000$6,875,000$8,792,525
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 6
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 1
$1,850,000$1,850,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 4
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW
UFA - 2
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,950,000$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 3
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$675,000$675,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000 (Performance Bonus$200,000$200K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 9
$4,166,666$4,166,666
G
NMC
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 4
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 6
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
RD
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
$1,425,000$1,425,000
LD
UFA - 1
$700,000$700,000
LD, LW
UFA - 1

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Jan. 4, 2018 at 6:38 p.m.
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Here's the problem, I don't know why people keep forgetting this, Weber has peaked! He isn't going to get any better! Actually, he's going to get worse! Why you're trading a young elite forward for him I will never know.
Jan. 4, 2018 at 7:10 p.m.
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Quoting: NickC1988
Here's the problem, I don't know why people keep forgetting this, Weber has peaked! He isn't going to get any better! Actually, he's going to get worse! Why you're trading a young elite forward for him I will never know.


Weber is 8 years younger than Chara. In the last 8 years or so of his career, Chara has won the Norris, the Stanley Cup, and been named a Norris finalist multiple other times, most recently in 2014.
Yeah. Once Weber passes 35, he may be a lesser player. He'll probably still be a top pairing D for a couple of years after that.

Time for the Oilers to take a new approach. Invest where it is needed instead of spinning their tires.
Jan. 4, 2018 at 7:16 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Weber is 8 years younger than Chara. In the last 8 years or so of his career, Chara has won the Norris, the Stanley Cup, and been named a Norris finalist multiple other times, most recently in 2014.
Yeah. Once Weber passes 35, he may be a lesser player. He'll probably still be a top pairing D for a couple of years after that.

Time for the Oilers to take a new approach. Invest where it is needed instead of spinning their tires.


That's a terrible investment though. An aging defenseman for a young, up and coming team makes no sense.
Jan. 4, 2018 at 7:24 p.m.
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Well, I agree with Nick. And I'll counter your Chara comparison. He was acquired for nothing....he was a UFA. He has signed multiple contracts which the Bruins. He didn't have 8.5 years left on a deal that takes him to the age of 40. A more logical team would be Sekera making 5.5m for the next 3.5 year for Weber, but even then I don't think the Oilers do it.
Jan. 4, 2018 at 7:37 p.m.
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The truth is the game is getting younger. The minute you hit 28 you are a declining or aging asset. People will have a preconceived notion of how a perfect team should be built and generally it won't be with any impact players over 30 unless they are guys like Crosby for example who bucks that trend.

The less cliche truth is Weber is a beast and would make an already good team even better. People use declining to hasty. Yeah sure he won't be as good as his tip top shape in 2013 but that doesn't mean literally every year after he's decreasing 15% capability....... Weber could play out the rest of his big years of his contract as a really good player. That doesn't matter to some. They'd rather not potentially win a cup but build the "right way" and i don't necessarily disagree with it.

I think a couple major hurdles stop MTL from being able to get full value back on Weber. Can he somewhat guarantee that he won't play out the rest of his contract? Did he fully expect to retire a few years before the end of his contract? If so and we who aren't in the "know", somehow knew that, you'd see a big change in perception of Weber.

7.8M for a top pairing dman like Weber isn't that much anymore. There will be some players who aren't as good as Weber is now making almost the same as Weber so the actual cap hit isn't the problem. Its the term. 9 years is a long time and no can understate that. But for example, someone knew Weber will retire early, all of sudden Weber's contract goes from 7.8M for 9 years to let's say 5-6 years.

I guarantee you there will be teams lining up to sign Weber this off season for 7.8M for 5-6 years.

The other cat in the bag is the recapture penalty if Weber does retire. If this is actually true and possible, like really really. Then this is a huge dagger to hold above Nashville's head. One aspect that they would force them to pay for Weber's rights when he retires handsomely. Given the alternative will them being kicked in the nuts with a 20M+ cap recapture penalty.
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