no way from buffalo. going to need a top prospect and alot more for kane and lehner both

I would rather the Sabres just send Kane to Minnesota straight for Dumba and a 3rd

Seconded.

This is basically:
Brock Nelson + 1st =
Dumba + 3rd =
Kane

It's not terrible value wise, though Nelson is definitely the lowest value there, and the 1st doesn't cover the gap.
I think the teams and players involved are all wrong anyway. All three teams want/need Dumba, and I don't think Nelson works for either MIN or BUF (no more than any other middle 6er anyway).
I'd say aim lower for a Nelson trade.

Goalie portion probably works for both parties if Buffalo is prepared to move on from Lehner, but I'd look elsewhere if I were NYI.

Kane is on an expiring contract and most certainly looking to max out in UFA. no team trading for him will be able to sign him as he is 100 percent hitting the market. his price is pretty stable at a 1st for a 2 month rental. Lehner was given a bridge deal deal last season for one year. this is his last year as an RFA. if prospects is what BUF wants, then nelson is out of the trade, but my understanding Botterill is building a team to compete not building a farm system. we can take nelson out and put in Pulock and a non conditional 4th. Pulock is a right handed 15th overall heavy shot PP QB defenseman with RFA status for another 3 or 4 years I believe. anything more than that is fantastical

your organization wants a first round pick for Kane.

Botterill wants a 1st or a good prospect and a second. I think an established NHLer in a position of need and a 3rd more than fits the bill.

Vegas, Carolina, Colorado, New Jersey, San Jose, Columbus, Anaheim, and LA are all teams fighting for a playoff spot that have cap room and could trade for and extend Kane

your top 4 on the right side is secure, why would you want to pay another right handed top 4 defense man 4.5-5 when the teams biggest problems are driving possession up front. last I checked BUF ranked in the top half of the league in every defensive possession per 60 category and in the bottom in every Offensive Possession per 60 category. that was about 5 days ago. literally no need for Dumba

The Sabres right side is absolute garbage, you need to do more than cherry pick one advanced stat. Risto is averaging 26 minutes, Bogo is a literal pylon and hurt (AGAIN) Antipin hasnt adapted to the NHL, and Falk is their 4th RHD. The Sabre d also can not move the puck out of their zone and give up way too many quality chance. The only RHD in their system is Borgen, and he's a few years away. The Sabres D is very much the problem and they very much could use Dumba (and buyout Bogosian). Risto Guhle and McCabe are literally the only 3 the Sabres should keep.

Whoa now. Don't bring statistically supported arguments around these here parts.

Seriously though, I think Buffalo would like another righty. Even if their defense is doing well, they could use some changes. Seems like their D core simply isn't effective at supporting offensive transition based on that argument, though I haven't looked at the numbers in depth.
If not it's a systematic issue.

Vegas is not making any big trades to acquire, that is not in their plan,
Colorado is clearly trying to restock their system they arent trading away a 1st they just acquired if they make the playoffs it will be a good season for them,
Jersey is a possibility,
San jose is not going to go pick-less in the 1st 3 rounds next year.
No way a player like Kane is going to fit in well in Columbus w torts. Jarmo is smart enough to know that,
Anahiem is a maybe
LA is maybe.

just because teams can trade for Kane, doesnt mean they are in the market to. 1st round picks are highly valuable, especially in a draft class like next year. there about 5 teams that will be seriously in the hunt for kane who is a winger wingers are the least valuable position trade wise.

As I stated you need to do more than cherry pick one advanced stat, their d is not doing well, Lehner is standing on his head most nights and they cant support their offense as you said. Guhle is finally up, but theirs a lot of dead weight while risto is putting them on his back.

Cherry pick ONE Advanced Stat? lmao nah man i look at all of them as of a week ago
8th in Corsi Against/60,
15th in Fenwick against/60,
16th (dead middle) in shots against per 60,
2nd in scoring chances against per 60,
10th in High Scoring Chances against per 60,
12th in expected goals per 60. top half of the league in every advanced defensive metric

on the other side of the puck, they are DEAD LAST in every offensive advanced metric.
31st in CF/60
31st FF/60
31st in SF/60
31st in SCF/60
31st in HDCF/60
31st in xGF/60

if zone exits were truly the problem, there is no way the Possession numbers against would be that high, with such piss poor possession for; its not possible

Wild pass.
-Kane they can't afford capwise.
-Dumba is worth more than a rental that Minny can't/won't re-sign.

Vegas didnt plan on being first in their conference, they have enough assets to do whatever they want and Kane would probably give them a hometown discount, especially if they went deep in the playoffs
Colorado didnt plan on competing for a WC after being a historically bad team last year, they probably would be less inclined to give up picks and prospects but its not an impossibility, especially if they plan on throwing down a competitive offer
San Jose doesnt need to trade their first, Botterill didnt say he is only accepting firsts for Kane and imo prospects are way more enticing than growing another prospect in our system for 3 years while our main club suffers
No reason Kane cant fit into a torts system but Columbus is probably going to worry about signing the players they already have.
You for some reason think Botterill is a robot with no cognitive thinking who will throw out any offer not including a 1st. It's a guideline not a rule, and her even stated he would like a first or a second with a decent prospect.

Umm. You understand I was basically agreeing with you I hope? Your response is pretty much what I would expect to hear otherwise.
I didn't look at the numbers, I just accepted that tricky had, and said IF they are doing well statistically on defense, they could still use changes.

Sabres can halve Kanes Salary to 2625000 and take on more MIN cap dumps

BUF has the 8th worst current 5v5 save percentage and are performing well under their expected goals against. Support their offense? what offense they dont have any lol

Theirs more to stats than team possession stats and it is cherry picking when you take data thats fits your narrative without context. The fact that Scandella and Ristolinen are playing nearly half the game, The indiviual stats when compared to time on ice, actually just watching this team. the bottom 2 lines are garbage and it doesnt help but to say the sabres have a solid top 4 D is insane. At best Scandella Risto, McCabe and Guhle are decent enough, but that literally leaves 2 holes on the RHD. Dumba is literally the player they need.

A vegas has repeated tirelessly that they are not deviating from the plan. Sakic is in rebuild mode. he may add pieces but it wont be Kane

no I think he recognizes the value of a first in this years draft class which has good talent up and down. its going to be hard to convince a lot of these perennial contenders you stated to give up draft picks OR top level prospects from their already drained systems

when the D is putting pucks into bad areas where the offense cant move it the offense gets hit for possession stats and cant do anything in the offensive zone, that is one of Buffalo's issue, thats why you need to have an eye test as well, stats only take you so far. Just like how Lehner was sitting at a 2.70 GAA and .920 Sv% until the last few weeks. Lehner can only do so much but his D is leaving him out dry with terrible shots against.

I said their right side in the top four is secure i didn't say it wasn't. im literally doing the opposite of cherry picking and im not fitting any narritive lol. they are DEAD LAST in every offensive possession metric, while sitting in the top half in every defensive metric. for god sake BENOIT POULIOT HAS THE 5TH MOST GOALS!!!! A 4TH LINE SCRUB!!!! the Sabres offense consists of 3 players Eichel, Orielly and Kane. one of them isnt coming back. I've watched the Sabres play a few times in last 2 months they dont sustain ANY pressure EVER lol

that is what Expected goals against measures. uses weighted shots to quantify total quality of shots that team gives up/takes. the sabres currently rank 12th in xGA/60 they rank 15th in HDCA/60 against High danger chances are chances 10 feet and in. everything you are saying is not supported by numbers. my suspicion you are better at recognizing defensive shortcomings than you are at recognizing offensive ones and tend to focus only on the Defensive mistakes. but what you are saying isnt supported by any fact

I've watched every game an listen to our analyst who point out the terrible movement from the D zone up. It's easy to be at the top of D possession metrics when your constantly in your defensive zone - the puck gets thrown in, they go fish it out, throw an errant pass up, it gets picked and thrown back in. Their offense has enough talent to be better than they are with better play making from the back. ROR Okposo, Pominville started hot, Eichel Kane, Reinhart. Rodrigues has shown talent, Girgensons (not saying he is good) had 30 points once. They acquired players with good possesion stats who have immediately dropped off