MTL has higher picks to offer and Pacioretty who would play great with Kane i think
or Galchenyuk and you know how MB loves getting players from CHI like Danault and Shaw who
are 2/4ths of our regular faceoff players both wingers so getting a center would be worth over paying it they are all 2019 and 2020 picks
we both know even with JT montrel wont rank higher then a west team stacked like WPG in the draft lottery

Arizona doesn't give up picks.....Chicago does. Vegas has no motivation to obtain Seabrook since Clarkson is permantley LTIRed. Ruutu is going to get a lot more from than 1.2,m from some team. Winnipeg really doesn't need Toews and his contact. Just spend that 10m on UFAs and keep their picks.

Clarkson for Seabrook is a headcanon. Since Vegas no longer needs insurance to keep it above the salary floor and a rebuilding Chicago club, if it succeeds in trading away the full salaries of Kane, Toews, and Keith, just might... wow.

Vegas does need a right handed defenseman, and Seabrook's not what he once was, but not awful. Neat idea.

Hossa's career is done, No way is Arizona giving up a 2nd+3rd for a player that's not going to play. You'd be lucky to get a 2019 7th round pick for Hossa right now.

I don't think you get it..... This is merely a cap move for Arizona.. Hossa has a 5.275 cap hit and his actual salary is 1M, which is good for any team that is looking to hit the cap floor. Hossa doesn't have to play nor would he play..... Basically Arizona is getting 5.275 in cap for 1 million, and that makes him valuable to a budget team.

This isn't insurance .... Seabrook isn't what he used to be but he is far from done. The guy is an asset, and I think any playoff team - that has the goal of winning the cup would love to have him... The only problem with Seabrook is his contract - no he is not worth his contract, but having Seabrook playing is a hell of a lot better than having David Clarkson NOT playing for the next several years.... Seabrook will only have 3 years left on his contract when Clarkson expires..

The notion Seabrook is some useless "cap dump" is pretty silly..... He can still play 22 minutes a night, probably more in Vegas..

Look, I'm not trying to sell some trade idea here, I'm merely pointing out your analysis here is misguided.

Well, the Hawks would NEVER trade both Kane and Toews ........ Even in a rebuild you still need some scoring...

None of this is going to happen...... The Hawks core is their core until the end.... Could I see one of the core guys being traded at some point? sure in 7 years when Kane or Toews is 36+ and the Hawks obviously have a new core in place or are at a point where it's time to totally rebuild... Obviously right now the Hawks are closer to winning another cup than they are having to totally rebuild.

i meant Toews i only mentioned kane to say if Patches was part of the return from Toews that Kane would have an awesome 30 goal scorer to play with .
i dont want Kane its not that he is bad or anything we just have like 938209328390820 wingers and 2 centers one of which is 35 and UFA

The Caps once traded Oates, Bondra, Jagr, Gonchar, Jones.... who am I leaving out? It could happen.

they have been taking Cap on to avoid cash payout for years because they cant afford to sign anyone more then 5.5-6m or they could not cover the cost of operations .
there is about 7 NHL teams like that 3 of which the NHL covers the cost of their operations overages for years now

ARZ,FLA,and NJD are all places that would take the cap hit to pay less for that reason to avoid NHL having to pay their operations cost like MIN,CAR and CBJ (aka the NHL smallest market bar none )


also permanent LTIR means nothing to VGK,they have 7 injured players 2 likely career ending and ZERO players moved to IR for cap relief
they are using the 18.5M to make it so they arent under Cap but given they look to be re-signing UFA's instead of trading them for picks like their GM said
they will need that cap space soon as they have 2 UFAs who will demand over 5 m and 2 RFAs who will hit offer sheets .

Sorry Billie. You don't know the rules of LTIR. Arizona received benefits....picks, or a upgrade in the draft, to take on LTIR, they did NOT have to give picks for these players.
Teams are not "punished" for having players on LTIRs cap wise, except for the one exception, so it's not true that can't sign UFAs during the off season.
The only detriment to having players on LTIR, so it MIGHT for a team that is close to the cap to move their performance bonuses from one that year to the next. The Leafs are in that position but I doubt if affects Vegas at all because they have few players making big money on their ELCs.

wow you are oblivious

you couldnt even spell my name right with it right infront of you but your insight is suppose to be sound ?

Billybob

My insight my not be sound, but the facts are facts. If you don't understand the rules of the cap, LTIR or why trades are made fine. But please just because you are unknowing, don't think other people are. Stick to the Canadians and Rocket.
For being so obvious incorrect for so long, you must be trolling. Thanks for given the opportunity to put you on my do not read cause it's a waste of time list.

and again you dont have enough common sense to address someone like an adult
i dont see how anything you can say hold weight

i mean jeez i just look at your posts vs likes and have to think people dont agree with you on essentially anything
even a moderate fan would have had 1000 likes in 14000 posts but you , you are a special kind of ignorant that just turns off people

arizona still doesn't give picks to obtain hossa. they might be agreeable to take hossa and his cap and his insured salary for cap reasons. hawks still would have to add a sweetener, just like the flyers, wings and panthers did.

Why would the Hawks do that? Hossa is on LTIR, the Hawks don't even have to move him..... This would benefit Arizona, not the Hawks. Arizona gets a 5.275 cap hit for 1 million, not many players have that type of contract -- as a matter of fact NONE do considering front loaded contracts are now prohibited under the new CBA..

Hossa's cap hit/contract holds significant value to budget teams, especially teams that struggle to reach the cap floor..

The idea that the Hawks would have to add is misguided at best.

misguided at best? it would be the first time ever that teams (Arizona in this case) would have to give up picks to take a a cap hit. certainly you're misguided about how cap dumps, even how LTIR works. david clarkson has two more left on his ltir and is he guaranteed never to play again. vegas would pay arizona a sweetener, not big one to take the contract, not the other way around.

you're incorrect again about front loaded contracts....I wouldn't expect any less. teams can front load contracts with money or signing bonuses. what isn't allowed is having different caphits in different years. so now the rules have players making same cap hit year after year.
weber's contract is front loaded. even last years' signing of matt martin by the leafs is front loaded.

Oh you can front-load a contract, you just cant front-load all the value in the first few years of the contract, it has to be broken up.

Yes, you don't understand that all other cap dumps come with the same salary as the cap hit - with Hossa's contract that isn't the case. Hossa has a 5.275 cap hit with a 1 million dollar salary which makes Hossa's contract unique. Hossa has what is called a "front-loaded contract", and they were banned under the CBA for this very reason. Teams cried "cap circumvention", which of course is why if Hossa retires the Hawks with be it with a massive recapture penalty....

So yes, Hossa's contract holds significant value to a team looking to reach the salary cap floor, considering a team like Arizona would get 5.275 million in cap for only 1 million in actual salary....

You would be right tho if Hossa's actual salary WAS 5.275 (the same as his cap hit) but like I said - it's not - it's only 1 million...

I could see several teams at the cap floor getting into a bidding war over the last 2 years on Hossa's contract...

Do you understand what I'm saying now? do you understand that Hossa only has a 1 million actual salary and that is valuable to a budget team that needs to hit the cap foor because they get 5.275 in cap space for 1 million in salary?

That's for agreeing with me that Hossa had a front loaded contract....money wise. The cap still is equal throughout the deal.....yes that part changed in the last CBA. But where you are totally wrong is that Arizona has to give up picks for Hossa. Sorry, if ever other LTIR, Arizona received picks....they didn't have to give them up. There are other teams that want the benefits of not having a player on LTIR and will give a sweetener to Arizona, albeit not a a very big one.