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karlsson fair value?

Created by: vinniletieri
Team: 2017-18 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 13, 2018
Published: Feb. 13, 2018
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the senators start their massive rebuild with potential elite D sergachev and great prospect Taylor raddish. also add a first round pick.

the TBL bring in the worlds best D, and shed Callahans contract (if willing to waive NMC)

I know karlsson doesn't have much term left... but he is still worth A BOAT LOAD. hes the worlds best D. maybe im sending too much to Ottawa so let me know. its so hard to gauge his value. everyone will have different opinions
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:07 a.m.
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ehhh. The value is definitely there, but man that callahan contract is bad. I'd feel better about it if the sens are able to unload Phaneuf onto LA, but I'd still do it. don't like the thought of having nearly 20 million wrapped up in Callahan Ryan and Phaneuf.
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:08 a.m.
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awesome!
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:16 a.m.
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Callahan has a no move and this is a overpayment because Sergachev straight up is a fair deal. He is 19 and has so much potential. Karlsson has had a lot of injuries and is 27. His best days are behind him. It would be a win now move for Tampa but would be bad for there cap situation and for there long term future.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:27 a.m.
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^ happyhappy hahahahahahaaha
Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:31 a.m.
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i'm giving you 5/5 just because that guys been spamming posts Down voting everyone with 1/5
here's me helping you get back to your 4 star rating
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:34 a.m.
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i'm giving you 5/5 just because that guys been spamming posts Down voting everyone with 1/5
here's me helping you get back to your 4 star rating


Good guy billy cheers
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:38 a.m.
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Callahan has a no move and this is a overpayment because Sergachev straight up is a fair deal. He is 19 and has so much potential. Karlsson has had a lot of injuries and is 27. His best days are behind him. It would be a win now move for Tampa but would be bad for there cap situation and for there long term future.


It’s so hard to gauge value. BUT 100% u can’t say Karlssons best days are behind him. For the next 2 years (his time in Tampa) he’ll still be the #1D in the world. I understand that’s A LOT to pay but this is Erik Karlsson. Adding him to this already stacked Tampa bay team would get them pretty much as close to the cup as possible. They would get TWO shots at winning it
Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
ehhh. The value is definitely there, but man that callahan contract is bad. I'd feel better about it if the sens are able to unload Phaneuf onto LA, but I'd still do it. don't like the thought of having nearly 20 million wrapped up in Callahan Ryan and Phaneuf.


I know the contract sucks. But with this move... you guys would be a rebuilding team 100%. You could afford the cap hit for 3 more seasons.
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:56 a.m.
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Quoting: vinniletieri
Good guy billy cheers


no worries

i realized we argue right down to the value of a pick in a deal but we debate
sometimes sarcastically , sometimes seriously but we debate hockey knowledge.

so i dont like seeing people like that giving 1/5 when someone put thought into their post and it just gets down voted like that over nothing.

TBL is making a playoff deal to win now and having Hedman-Karlsson team SWE top D Pairing for international Competition for that
just makes sense as OTT isnt giving Karlsson up cheap especially to a team with LD he's proven to dominate all stars with .
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 5:07 a.m.
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Callahan has a NMC. I don't think he'd waive it to go to a non-contender in a weak market with Canadian media scrutiny. Tampa should also hold on to Shergachev while he has an ELC.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 7:27 a.m.
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It’s gonna take a lot more than that especially if you’re making them take Callahan
Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:38 a.m.
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With the comments Yzerman made this past weekend, I don't see him trading Serg and Point. That being said...imagine if this trade DID go through and the Senators won the draft Lottery and landed Dahlin. Having Dahlin and Sergachev to start a rebuild would be great start!
Feb. 13, 2018 at 12:21 p.m.
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With the comments Yzerman made this past weekend, I don't see him trading Serg and Point. That being said...imagine if this trade DID go through and the Senators won the draft Lottery and landed Dahlin. Having Dahlin and Sergachev to start a rebuild would be great start!


plus for TBL... a hedman-karlsson top pairing... JESUS
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:10 p.m.
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It’s gonna take a lot more than that especially if you’re making them take Callahan


he 100% is going UFA already been declared he's going to the highest bidder
if anything given his age and term this is overpaying in Context unless he agree's to sign with TBL for 9m or less there is no chance he can re-sign in TBL
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:43 p.m.
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he 100% is going UFA already been declared he's going to the highest bidder
if anything given his age and term this is overpaying in Context unless he agree's to sign with TBL for 9m or less there is no chance he can re-sign in TBL


its so hard to gauge a player like thats value. some people will think its an overpayment, some will think its an under, some will think its just right. I guess we have to wait and see what ends up happening with this situation. a karlsson trade is probably the most difficult realistic trade to put a value on
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:48 p.m.
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its so hard to gauge a player like thats value. some people will think its an overpayment, some will think its an under, some will think its just right. I guess we have to wait and see what ends up happening with this situation. a karlsson trade is probably the most difficult realistic trade to put a value on


it is for sure but his declaration of going to the highest bidder as UFA took away a lot of potential suitors sadly.
everyone wants a RD for top pair but really on about 2-3 teams have the depth to gamble he wont re-sign


TBL has the hands down best shot because Karlsson would get to reunite with Hedman which i believe makes him want to stay in TBL organization.
after he made his Statement OTT lost a lot of their Leverage in negotiating with non playoff teams as they wont get their use out of him in that time frame
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