SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Is this even close to fair? Constructive criticism please...

Created by: Riddler
Team: 2017-18 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 25, 2018
Published: Feb. 25, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Constructive criticism for the love of God please and thank you
Trades
PIT
  1. McDonagh, Ryan ($1,700,000 retained)
NYR
  1. Hunwick, Matt
  2. Johnson, Adam
  3. Sheary, Conor
  4. 2018 2nd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Rangers get a B-grade center prospect in Johnson. Sheary could be a product of Sid but he seems to be solid enough and he's "young." Hunwick is for cap reasons. The second round pick instead of a first since McDonagh is having a mediocre year. If it makes it more fair, the pick can be a 2019 1st on condition that the Pens win the cup this season or next season.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the DET
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
2019
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the MIN
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
2020
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$75,000,000$69,657,913$50,000$622,500$5,342,087
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
$640,000$640,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,875,000$1,875,000
LW
UFA - 2
$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$734,167$734,167 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
$692,500$692,500 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$2,075,000$2,075,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
$625,000$625,000
RW
UFA - 1
$612,500$612,500
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
$3,750,000$3,750,000
G
UFA - 3
$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 6
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
$630,833$630,833 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
G
UFA - 1
$3,333,225$3,333,225
LD
UFA - 5
$964,688$964,688
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 2

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:00 p.m.
#1
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 19,621
Likes: 6,759
Not even close. You need to look at this from the NYR perspective. They look very much like they are retooling/rebuilding. What does your package offer them if they are doing that? Nothing. McDonagh is premier dman. If at the very least one top prospect and one 1st rounder aren't involved, its probably not a good trade for NYR.
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:03 p.m.
#2
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2018
Posts: 2,565
Likes: 865
Quoting: F50marco
Not even close. You need to look at this from the NYR perspective. They look very much like they are retooling/rebuilding. What does your package offer them if they are doing that? Nothing. McDonagh is premier dman. If at the very least one top prospect and one 1st rounder aren't involved, its probably not a good trade for NYR.


Sheary is too reliant on Crosby or a top center (which the Rangers don't have) and Johnson isn't a first round prospect. The Rangers are looking for a 1st at least for McDonagh too.
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:04 p.m.
#3
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2016
Posts: 33,053
Likes: 8,999
No not even close you'd need to at least add you 2018 1st round pick, Sheary is the only decent piece. Tons of teams can beat your offer. This is atrocious for the Rags.
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:05 p.m.
#4
BigBeardBurns
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2018
Posts: 3,350
Likes: 535
McDonagh having an off year doesnt lower his value. He’s still worth a #1 Defenseman, so
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:07 p.m.
#5
Haymazer
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2018
Posts: 41
Likes: 2
Nope replace Sheary with Sprong, and still make the pick a 1st.. And no retained salary
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:13 p.m.
#6
Who adds what?
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2017
Posts: 13,677
Likes: 2,703
Constructive criticism? Okay... so....Penguins fans in general, dig this: your prospect pool is not better than any other team's. Your draft picks are worth the least of any other team's. The guys you just traded for are not worth any more than anyone on any other team.

If a team gives you one of its best players, it wants to get back a couple of spare parts with a fistful of Cup rings between them.

You can totally get out of paying full value for a great player like Brassard by giving back a 17 minute defenseman like Ian Cole to give fans in another city hope for their team's rebuild.

Sheary has that kind of value, even though his success was totally and completely a product of just skating to the net with his stick on the ice while Sidney Crosby did everything.

Your first round pick already IS a second round pick in most teams' minds because you are the presumptive champs this year. And it presumably means nothing to you because the player you take at #31 might not show up until Crosby retires.

Did I say that constructively? Should I be more clear? You're being ridiculously stingy with an asset that is meaningless to you. McDonagh plays over 24 minutes a night in his off year. Cole played 17. You're filling a 3rd pair hole with a 1st pair defenseman and asking if you can get out of giving back literally anything of value.
Sam_The_Man liked this.
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:44 p.m.
#7
WinnipegIsGood
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2018
Posts: 22
Likes: 5
Quoting: Eli
Constructive criticism? Okay... so....Penguins fans in general, dig this: your prospect pool is not better than any other team's. Your draft picks are worth the least of any other team's. The guys you just traded for are not worth any more than anyone on any other team.

If a team gives you one of its best players, it wants to get back a couple of spare parts with a fistful of Cup rings between them.

You can totally get out of paying full value for a great player like Brassard by giving back a 17 minute defenseman like Ian Cole to give fans in another city hope for their team's rebuild.

Sheary has that kind of value, even though his success was totally and completely a product of just skating to the net with his stick on the ice while Sidney Crosby did everything.

Your first round pick already IS a second round pick in most teams' minds because you are the presumptive champs this year. And it presumably means nothing to you because the player you take at #31 might not show up until Crosby retires.

Did I say that constructively? Should I be more clear? You're being ridiculously stingy with an asset that is meaningless to you. McDonagh plays over 24 minutes a night in his off year. Cole played 17. You're filling a 3rd pair hole with a 1st pair defenseman and asking if you can get out of giving back literally anything of value.


This. I think the problem with this deal is that is assumes that A) NYR are desperate to deal McDonagh ASAP and B) No other team is interested in McDonagh.

If this is the best offer PIT could make, then fine, but it's not winning a bidding war for a guy like McDonagh.

A guy like Hunwick has no value to the NYR if they are travelling down the re-tool / rebuild stage.

Escalating the 2nd to a 1st would likely need to occur if PIT wins the East, not the Cup, and frankly, you've probably gotta add Sprong

Sheary
Sprong
2019 2nd escalating to a 2019 1st (you're giving up McDonagh for two years, so I'd want compensation based on if PIT wins the East in either year, so I'd defer to 2019)

That's probably the type of deal that at least brings you into the conversation, but even that might not get it done.
Sam_The_Man liked this.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Submit Poll