terrible value for Tkachuk imo. If we are trading that much capital we need to grab not him lol.

Sure I probably overpaid a little but thats what happens when you want to move to #4. NAK will be nothing more than a 4th liner likely so that isn't a big loss.

yeah but Tkachuk isn't the type of talent you trade two top-20 picks for imo. If you're moving up that high it's because you're taking someone who fell like Zadina or even Hughes. Not Tkachuk.

Why don't you like Tkachuk? Most of the people have him right up there with Zadina and some have him ahead of him.

Ottawa and Tampa say no. Don't know what Neuvy is worth tbh. He's good when he plays but he's always hurt

Tkachuk has already said he’s returning to Boston U next year no matter who drafts him. That leaves Simmonds as the only forward with ‘grit’ in the lineup.

I was basing the TB trade off of what I have seen from like 4 people on here in the last 30 min. OTT is getting a nice haul here which they desperately need more than a Tkachuk IMO. They have a massive lack of talent on that team.

Next year is meaningless anyways.

I do like Tkachuk. But I think his ranking is more indicative of how he is closer to pro ready then some prospects as opposed to upside. i wouldn't have him in my top-6/7 personally. If you like him that's fine but i'd take the combination of players at 14/19 over him. If we are talking Wahlstrom, Zadina, Svech, or Hughes then sure pull the trigger.

I don't feel like we need 2 guys in the teens...we have unreal prospect depth as is...time to go get the high end talent. I feel like Tkachuk can be something like Marchand (probably not as good but also not a complete dickhole). I would also be fine with Wahlstrom but no need to go up to 4 to get him.

Could a framework of Johnson and Simmonds work, or is Wayne too much of a fit there to entertain that kind of a deal? Tampa Bay would have to be able to agree to a reasonable extension with him as part of the trade though.

Simmer could be moved but it would take more than just Johnson to do so if an extension is in place.

Would adding an exchange of Gourde for one of your depth forwards work?

Every year matters.

So say a Simmer/Laughton for TyJo/Gourde?



Not when you know what we are still stuck with. Next year is a year for the kids to make more improvements. Very low expectations.

Yeah, I think something like that could work. This is assuming management thinks like I do: that Erne, Peca, and maybe even Joseph can help fill out the bottom-6 consistently.

high end talent and Tkachuk wouldn't really line up in my mind. Guys like Bowers put up better numbers in college and he isn't nearly as dynamic as Wahlstrom or Zadina. Marchand I don't see at all. If anything he'd be be something like a Simmonds/Voracek. Not going to snipe goals but is more of a playmaker and uses strength to get to the net and power goals in from dirty areas. He's a safe pick that should be a solid player in the NHL - not a high end talent/upside pick. I agree getting high end talent is important but it's just terrible value to trade up that much for him. I'd rather trade both picks for a win now player or stand pat at 14 and 19 and grab a guy with similar upside that might just be an extra year or two away.

I just don't think it makes sense for them, and even at that, I don't think the value is there. As for why it doesn't make sense, they made it to the conference finals in 2017, had a bad year this year. Personally I think they are closer to this year's team that 2017's team but you don't know how they are thinking. They have 3 options, try and compete next year especially since they don't have their first round pick, retool or rebuild (basically same options as any team). If they want to compete, Tkachuk easily helps them more than the two picks. If they feel they have a good core and just want to retool I would think Tkachuk makes more sense because a retool means they need less than we think, more quality over quantity. If they want to completely rebuild then the offer could be interesting for them but it's another question of quantity or quality. I'll agree that quantity could be better in their case, but then you look at their assets and the likes of Hoffman, Stone, Karlsson etc, could get you enough quantity to the point where they tell themselves that in this case, they prefer quality. More often than not you have to overpay to move up, don't think it'll be any different here