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Signs and assumptions (including hometown discounts and trades)

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 3, 2018
Published: Aug. 3, 2018
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Looking at how the team shapes if the Big 3 take small discounts as per rumours and the most likely signings/trades I see happening,

Assumptions:
- Cap up to 81 mil
- bridge Kap, johnsson plays well and gets a contract
- 3 marlies are inserted into forward group (doesnt particularly matter)
- One of Rosen/Borgman get a contract and can play on 3rd pair
- Lildegren can play after another full season in the AHL.
- Marleau is only owed 1.25 mil in actual cash after July 1st, 2019 but counts as 6.25 AAV on the cap, this is beneficial for a budget team trying to reach the floor (i.e. Arizona/Carolina). However he ha a full NMC so he doesn't have to leave if he doesn't want to. I do believe the team/Marleau had some sort of agreement or handshake knowing the 3rd year he would look to be moved. I'm not sure where but he will get moved, I chose San Jose for this so he could retire with his team.
- Sparks signs
- I think Zaitsev has a bounce back year but Dubas is to smart not to move his contract
-Skinner signs to come home and win a cup
- Gardiner is not resigned

At this point you have ~6.75 mil to get a RD. whether thats a trade or a signing. The biggest question mark the Leafs have been dealing with.
I chose to sign Ellis :)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,000,000
2$2,250,000
8$7,000,000
8$6,250,000
8$10,250,000
2$1,500,000
2$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
6$7,000,000
5$6,600,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2019 6th round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Marleau, Patrick
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
could retain $ to sweeten deal
2.
TOR
  1. 2019 2nd round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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2019
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,000,000$80,819,166$0$482,500$180,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Skinner, Jeff
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
Matthews, Auston
$10,250,000$10,250,000
C
UFA - 5
Nylander, William
$6,250,000$6,250,000
RW
UFA - 5
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Tavares, John
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
Marner, Mitchell
$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
Johnsson, Andreas
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Grundström, Carl
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Kapanen, Kasperi
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW
UFA - 3
Bracco, Jeremy
$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW
UFA - 1
Lindholm, Pär
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Ellis, Ryan
$6,600,000$6,600,000
RD
UFA - 8
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 3
Holl, Justin
$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
Sparks, Garret
$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
Rosén, Calle
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:38 a.m.
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Marleau might, but I highly doubt he will waive his Full NMC.
Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:41 a.m.
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Did they drug Matthews/Marner/Nylander at the same time?
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Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:45 a.m.
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did you read the post?
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I think these contracts are actually bang on. Funny how people just forget the last season and immediately go look at the stats once it's over. These kids are not making the money people want them to
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Did they drug Matthews/Marner/Nylander at the same time?


yep...and their agents.....Good tactic...
Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:49 a.m.
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yep...and their agents.....Good tactic...


Heres what I think they could/might get:

Nyldander: 8 x 6.75
Marner: 8 x 7.25
Mathews: 8 x 11

Cutting ~0.5 mil per contract as a discount (as i assumed) isn't to high of an ask lol
Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:50 a.m.
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I think your on par for the Nylander and Marner discounts but I think the Mathews discount number is still $11 million. He could ask for the same percentage as McDavid and get around $13 million but will settle for less then that of course so $12, discount would be $11.
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Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:53 a.m.
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I think your on par for the Nylander and Marner discounts but I think the Mathews discount number is still $11 million. He could ask for the same percentage as McDavid and get around $13 million but will settle for less then that of course so $12, discount would be $11.


I think 11 is what he will get. easy, same as tavares, more than eichel.
So as a discount i went to 10.25 (still more than eichel)

But yes i agree, it will be closer to 11
Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:54 a.m.
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Heres what I think they could/might get:

Nyldander: 8 x 6.75
Marner: 8 x 7.25
Mathews: 8 x 11

Cutting ~0.5 mil per contract as a discount (as i assumed) isn't to high of an ask lol


The max should be based on Ehlers and Pastrnak. Nylander is a mirror image of Ehlers it's so easy to come up with that number. Even with the cap increase its 6.35.
Marner it blows my mind people just get delusional and remember he went on a tear to end the season. On December 18th 2017 Marner was 34 games played, 2 goals 18 assists. Went 15 games and 18 games without a goal. This screams inconsistent still and to give someone 8 mil immediately like that you will eventually get shot in the foot. Just like the Oilers did years ago, and just how they did last season. I feel like leaf fans feel like it's an accomplishment for them to see their favorite players make a bunch of money. These kids are not here yet, sorry.
Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:56 a.m.
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I think your on par for the Nylander and Marner discounts but I think the Mathews discount number is still $11 million. He could ask for the same percentage as McDavid and get around $13 million but will settle for less then that of course so $12, discount would be $11.


How the H E LL can he get McDavid money when he was nowhere as effective last year as the #1-2 player in the world? This is such a leaf fan comment I'm embarrassed to say I'm also a fan
Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:02 p.m.
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The max should be based on Ehlers and Pastrnak. Nylander is a mirror image of Ehlers it's so easy to come up with that number. Even with the cap increase its 6.35.
Marner it blows my mind people just get delusional and remember he went on a tear to end the season. On December 18th 2017 Marner was 34 games played, 2 goals 18 assists. Went 15 games and 18 games without a goal. This screams inconsistent still and to give someone 8 mil immediately like that you will eventually get shot in the foot. Just like the Oilers did years ago, and just how they did last season. I feel like leaf fans feel like it's an accomplishment for them to see their favorite players make a bunch of money. These kids are not here yet, sorry.


Ya i don't agree with those reasonings. Babs had Marner playing on the fourth line and bozak, as soon as he played with a competent centermen (kadri) he put up points. He also quarterbacks the powerplay as one of the best in the league already.

There's only a handful of 20 year olds since the lockout who have put up the points/game that both Nylander and Marner have. even with Nylander havign a dip in shooting % and a major dip in powerplay points. at 20 and 21 its not unreasonable to see both wingers a perennial 70 points guys, especially with the centermen they will play with.

You need to lock these guys up now, and as the cap increases, the deals will only continue to look better smile
Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:02 p.m.
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How the H E LL can he get McDavid money when he was nowhere as effective last year as the #1-2 player in the world? This is such a leaf fan comment I'm embarrassed to say I'm also a fan


Not even a Leaf fan lol I said he can ask for the same percentage, which he can, McDavid took a discount and didn’t take as much as he could have. McDavid can for sure get more money then Mathews, he is the superior player. I think of it as McDavid is a max contract player, Mathews is a tier below it, I say Mathews can ask for the same percentage because McDavid didn’t take as much as he could have.

If it came down to it and Mathews wanted it he could make the Leafs pay him the highest salary in the league, his PPG is among the highest in the league, his age suggests improvements in his prime years and his skill set is only matched by maybe 4-6 players in the league.

Don’t think he does that, but he could.
Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:04 p.m.
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I like the team I have one team with Ellis. I still don’t understand why the fourth line needs to eat away at the cap. I said in one of my team at best they will play a few minutes a game Kapanen money can go to Mathews Mylander and Mariner to make ecerybody happy with there contracts and have a league min there sparks at 1.5 Mac done well older and would take less just to stay and play and you would save a few hundred there.
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Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:05 p.m.
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How the H E LL can he get McDavid money when he was nowhere as effective last year as the #1-2 player in the world? This is such a leaf fan comment I'm embarrassed to say I'm also a fan


Mathews has put up more even strength goals than any other player in the last 2 years and put up over a point/gp as a 20 year old. He played 2nd PP time for most the year.
What could he do if that changes?
Hes a top 10 player in the league if not top 5, if mcdavid took a cut to get 12.5 how can u argue hes not close to that money lol.

Give your head a shake
Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:07 p.m.
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I like the team I have one team with Ellis. I still don’t understand why the fourth line needs to eat away at the cap. I said in one of my team at best they will play a few minutes a game Kapanen money can go to Mathews Mylander and Mariner to make ecerybody happy with there contracts and have a league min there sparks at 1.5 Mac done well older and would take less just to stay and play and you would save a few hundred there.


For sure!

Also i think Brown or Kapanen gets dealt in a trade anyway....
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Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:08 p.m.
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Mathews has put up more even strength goals than any other player in the last 2 years and put up over a point/gp as a 20 year old. He played 2nd PP time for most the year.
What could he do if that changes?
Hes a top 10 player in the league if not top 5, if mcdavid took a cut to get 12.5 how can u argue hes not close to that money lol.

Give your head a shake


No you are just throwing out random stats in your favour. I can also. He had 1 goal in the most important 7 games of the year and looked average at best.
Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:13 p.m.
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No you are just throwing out random stats in your favour. I can also. He had 1 goal in the most important 7 games of the year and looked average at best.


Love this. You encompass everything that's wrong with typical uneducated leafs fans. using small sample sizes to evaluate players and letting emotions dictate decisions.
I'd wager a guess that you also think Gardiner is a bust?
I'm so glad Dubas has taken the reigns...

Please hang up your jersey
Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:48 p.m.
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Love this. You encompass everything that's wrong with typical uneducated leafs fans. using small sample sizes to evaluate players and letting emotions dictate decisions.
I'd wager a guess that you also think Gardiner is a bust?
I'm so glad Dubas has taken the reigns...

Please hang up your jersey

I love how people like you just assume everyone who does not agree with you hates Dubas. Laughable too because I spend 90% of my time as a fan backing up Gardiner as one of our best dmen. Just the fact I do not want to blow a ton of money based on 1-2 seasons hockey is a smart and likely better decision than hoping and wishing. These kids have zero leverage and we want to win a cup now, not later. This current roster is not good enough, you push it to the cap and there goes any chance of improving.
Have a good day dad
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Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:51 p.m.
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Love this. You encompass everything that's wrong with typical uneducated leafs fans. using small sample sizes to evaluate players and letting emotions dictate decisions.
I'd wager a guess that you also think Gardiner is a bust?
I'm so glad Dubas has taken the reigns...

Please hang up your jersey


Also not to mention how delusional this roster idea is. Yes lets go spend 7 more million on a veteran UFA winger and trade one somewhere else while we are at it, and sure just let that AHL kid who we have zero clue how good he is play in our NHL top 4. I see no issue
Aug. 3, 2018 at 1:04 p.m.
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Also not to mention how delusional this roster idea is. Yes lets go spend 7 more million on a veteran UFA winger and trade one somewhere else while we are at it, and sure just let that AHL kid who we have zero clue how good he is play in our NHL top 4. I see no issue


Super delusional to trade a 39 year old declining winger and replacing him with 27 year old 60 point player lol.

And what even is your solution? brdige deals? cuz they aren't signing for much less than what i have listed.

I don't think its at all far fetched to see lildegren play a significant role in 2020, not sure where your argument is for that other than "hey he hasn't played at all, therefore he wont be able to"
Aug. 3, 2018 at 1:06 p.m.
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Me David has lead the league in points and is an MVP Mathews as much as I love the leafs he hasn’t so you can’t compare he is less then mcdavid and if Tavares a better all around play took 11 get behind take your 10 to 10.5 for 8 years son.
Aug. 3, 2018 at 1:07 p.m.
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Another Leaf fanatic that just ignores Marleau's contract. Leafs certainly don't need Skinner.
Aug. 3, 2018 at 1:11 p.m.
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Another Leaf fanatic that just ignores Marleau's contract. Leafs certainly don't need Skinner.


Ignore? as in give you a complete explanation on why it could get moved?
31 teams need a scoring left winger for free (ufa signing).
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Aug. 3, 2018 at 1:19 p.m.
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Another Leaf fanatic that just ignores Marleau's contract. Leafs certainly don't need Skinner.


I understand it is very unlikely that he would waive his NMC but I do think there is still a chance. Highly doubtful but a chance. And the most likely team he would waive for is San Jose and I don't see them having a problem taking his salary.
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Aug. 3, 2018 at 4:22 p.m.
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Ignore? as in give you a complete explanation on why it could get moved?
31 teams need a scoring left winger for free (ufa signing).


Thanks for ignoring Marleau's NMC. No movement. He signed with the Leafs so he could have one last chance to be on a Cup winner. He is not going to agree to trade to a bottom feeder just because Leaf fanatics want cap space. Other contending teams have cap issues too, so it's not like Marleau would even be an easy move to any contender.
 
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