Yeaper Buddy that’s what I was explaining to you!!!!

thank buck....when I think of buck rogers, I think of the old expo manager. not making trades and just signing your rfas seems to be a lost art on this sight. of course young players...and borgman, rosen, ozhignokov aren't that young, but the leafs are depending on them to be cost efficient players in next few years. if not good enough it's trades or ufas.

I don't see Oz making that much, he wont be getting big next contract like Zaitsev, I wouldn't be surprised if the leafs are a little gun shy moving forward. This is the "can he even make our line up" year. And then next contract will be, "prove you're worth more than this". I wouldn't be surprised if his next contract is more on the lines of one year at 1.25-1.5. As for Nylander I think he wants the same contract as Marner, not in the sense of money, because unfortunately he hasn't been performing as well as Marner, but term. He wants 8 years, he wants to be on this leaf team forever, for that reason I think we will see Nylander at 6.25-6.75 over 8 years. Which I think is good. Nylander has center potential and 80+ points potential, that contract becomes a steal real quick. Finally, a note on our Europeans, and this in my opinion is the issue with signing them. They are going to make decisions based on 3 things: Minutes, money and destination. If I am Rosen, I didn't cross the pond to play on the AHL or warm a bench, so if we aren't offering him a full time spot he is gone. Same goes for Borgman so a choice is going to have to be made. I love him as a cheap option but I just dont see the value in paying him 1.3 to warm a bench, at the end of training camp I wouldn't be surprised if it is a roster spot, trade or back over seas.

Sorry for the rant guys lol.

Kapanen, Johnsson, and Marner are all more than likely to make more. Add about a million to Marner about 500 k to Kap and about 250k to Johnsson. Although those number could change depending on their seasons. If Marner has the kind of season he is capable of playing the whole year with Tavares his number could increase and Both Kap and Johnsson could put up 40 Pats seasons as well. Going to be a very slippery slope to navigate.

If that's the best deal Marner's agent is able to get from TOR, he'll be fired on the spot. He doesn't deserve anything less than L.Draisaitl. And please anyone, don't throw the "centers makes more than wingers" argument since it had clearly been demonstrated, in the past, that it is not the case in 50% of the time (by me, in particular : see this https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/163186&post_id=565382 reply #13).

If you compare the 2 players (production, ice-time, Pts/60min, draft position, player pedigree, etc), there's really no way Marner is worth 7M$ & Draisaitl 8.5M$. And if we go by cap %...Marner SHOULD get more than 8.5M$ (9 007 350M$ exactly if Marner also gets 11.33% of the cap). I'd say 8.3 to 8.5M$ is what he ends up having.

it wasn't really a rant. just opinion. having your 6th and 7th guys making 1.3m isn't too much if they are capable nhl players. you'd been paying 950,000 at least for anyone good enough. with injuries the seventh guy is going to play so I wouldn't think rosen would be discouraged and bolt back to Sweden. with gardiner gone, I just thought borgman and rosen are the best affordable options for 2019/20. the big question whether they are good enough.

And thats just it, they need ice time. Rosen really didn't blow me away last year. When Borgman went WAY out of position to deliver those massive hits I cringe about the positional move, but loved the hits. Borgman I think he is perfect for that 6th spot. And as for Gardiner I am not even worried, Dermott is fantastic and only getting better. He isn't just the natural successor but the only successor, in my opinion.

we'll see, marner at 7m would put him in the top 10 right wingers in the league 8.5m would put him in the top three or four. that's a lot for any player coming his elc. SHOULD he get 8.5m, maybe Dubas gets fired for that.

sounds like the dilemma all teams have with their bottom pairing. are they good enough?

There's no signs showing us that Marner will be a bust. GM's always have the choice of giving a player short or long term. Sometimes, the bridge contract ends up costing a lot for teams so that's why you see teams signing players max term to avoid playing more in 2-3 years time. Also, you can't expect a player to sign for less than his market value just because you want him to. There's always the possibility that the player accept less money to help out the team, but it doesn't happens all that much. The agent's job is to find comparative and start the conversation with those players contracts. You need arguments (very strong ones), if you're Dubas, to counter Marner's agent points...And I really don't know what he could say to counter that Draisaitl comparison except that he plays wings not center (L.D. did too when he signed his contract, he played McDavid wings for most of that season). L.D. had 137pts in 191GP (0.717pt/game) when he signed his contract. M.M. currently has 130pts in 159GP (0.818pt/game). Let's say he has a modest 2018-2019 season (by his standard) and ends up with 62pts in 79 games. He'd be at 192pts in 238GP (0.807pt/game). This is a lot more points and more than half a season more of experience than L.D. Add to that that advanced stats doesn't put one player on top of the other...How could Dubas NOT acknowledge that this comparison is valid, thus is the starting point of their negociations?!?

The only problem with that argument is that Draistel wanted the money and he got over payed to play on a s**t team. Which are 2 big differences with Toronto and Marner situation. 1 Marner has said publicly that he'd take less to keep the team together (so did Nylander and Matthews and Tavares took less to come here too) 2 Toronto isn't a s**t team so they shouldn't have to pay extra to keep superstars cause they want to stay. Especially ones that are coming off ELC.

Draisaitl signed his contract after the Oilers lost in the 7th game of the 2nd round of the 2017 NHL playoffs (they had 103pts that season, finished 4th in the West & 7th in the league). Talbot receiving Vezina considerations, McDavid winning the Hart +Art Ross, L.D. getting 77pts + 16pts in 13GP in the playoffs...they were viewed by many as Stanley Cup contenders for the 2017-2018 season, in the summer of 2017 & in early october/november...s****y team my a$$.

It isn't a good argument since both teams were/are comparable at the moment L.D. signed his contract (2017 for EDM) and right now (2018 for TOR).

Quoting: jp_harvey
There's no signs showing us that Marner will be a bust.
if we're going be stats. Marner fits in well with right wingers 6.7m Pasterak and 7.5m Taresenko assuming Marner goes about 25/50 for75 points. an agent will bring in Draisaitl comparison of course at 8.5m,,,but that isn't the norm. then Dubas counters with hart candidate winger marchand at 6.1m


Marchand became the players he is (offensively) at 28 years of age...Marner is at 20 years of age...apples and oranges

Signing an 8 years contract at age 28 (thru age 36) is sure to see the AAV drop significantly in the latter years of it. If you sign it at age 21, though, you lock all the prime years of the player, which cost a lot and the AAV doesn't drop because of the final 2-3 years...

You're not comparing close to the same situation.

After taking a closer look, J.Gaudreau is a player that fits pretty well the situation of Marner, except he was 2 years older when signing his contract, wasn't a top5 overall picks (like it or not, it still matters for the contract after the ELC), & surely had less GP than Marner when signing his contract (160 for J.G. & 159 for M.M. right now).

So Marner will be compared to Gaudreau 9.25% cap and might get a bit more (9.5-9.6%?). All in all, 9.5% cap amounts to 7.55M$ in '18-'19 or 7.88M$ in '19-'20 (cap at 83M$). So maybe 8 years at 7.75M$ is what he ends up getting.

Such a cherry picking argument for Marner to make 8+ mil. There's no way he is worthy that right and is an RFA. Plenty of reason not to. Pastrnak is as good or better and just signed for 6.66. I hate when people use the Ppg also because some players (Like draisaitl) get rushed into the league early and the stats are pretty clear why they get skewed.
Sign Marner to 8.5 mil and he comes in again and scores 2 goals in 35 games like last year and we are a laughing stock. 7 mil should be his MAX
What's he going to do? Sit out games? With this roster and chance to win and play with 91 and in his hometown? Lol ya I don't see him as an RFA doing that. Leafs management hold more leverage than people think right now

Saving this thread also for when he signs

All of which was refuted. Marner is a centre just not in the nhl. That right there should show something. Marner will be on a very good contract. Probably 7.5mx8.

Wait Oilers made the playoffs 2 years in a row and then signed the biggest Free Agent in the salary cap era?

Hum...what?? Are you sure you're replying to the right person??

Yes

Why have you replied that to my reply? Where does it say that EDM made the playoffs the last 2 years and that they've signed the biggest FA in the salary cap era??

Cause you said Oilers were in the same situation as the Leafs are now in 2017 cause the Oilers made the playoffs once. It's not the same situation it's completely different. Sure Oilers have McDavid and LD but they don't have much behind that. Leafs forward core is top 3 offences in the entire league if not THE top, their goalie is Vezina worthy and their defence (here's a hot take or whatever that means) the Leafs defence isnt as bad as every one thinks. Rielly made HUGE improvements paired with Hainsey, Gardiner played great except game 7... Dermott is outstanding defensively and can play the right side if needed, Zaitsev was Babs project last year and he lost a step after his injuries, I expect him to be leaps and bounds better then last year.