William I know you're a Pens fan, but you have been more than fair to Carolina in those trades. Maybe even too generous, but you have seemed to helped both teams in the trades. So, for value of the trades and not been a homer.....five stars.

Tks. But I've tried to be more realistic as possible. Faulk and McGinn are importants players to Carolina and they're not a rebuilding team anymore. So, to Pens make these trades happen, I think we should to overpay a little bit. That's how the things works to teams in "win-now" mode.

Wayyyyy to much for Faulk .... maybe add McKeown and McGinn and take away the 4thrdr and id think about it but still wouldnt .... its not even a need?

I think I overpaid either. But not that much as you think. And as I said to Palhal, there's no way to make these trades happen, unless we overpay for both players.

its a massive overpay(especially if you do change the 4th to a second just for a million retention that should be part included in any package anyway), they traded away skinner for not a ton so maybe that massive of an overpay is not required, hard to read what Carolina plans to do. If it requires an overpay then the pens should simply pass if its an overpay that also takes away from current team.

This trade makes the team weaker down the middle.
I know a lot of people aren't sold on Brass, myself included. But he was injured. Lets see what we get before we start dealing him out.
The problem with Riley as 3C is he's slow. He does not play the up tempo push the puck game the Pens like. He's a grinder. He's ideally suited for the 4th line.
You can't have 4th line guys playing the 3rd line and expect to win.

Faulk has a higher market value than Skinner. First, because he's a d-man and Skinner is a winger. Second, Faulk has more to offer to any team which get him, cause he's good defensively and a beast offensively. Specially in PP with his cannon shot. On the other side, Skinner almost contribute nothing defensively and he had a just ok season offensively. And the last thing and not least important, Faulk still has 2 years in his contract. Skinner is a rental. So, your comparison doesn't make sense at all.

Pens can live well with Sheahan as a 3rd C, cause we still have Sid and Geno as our top 6 C, and Sprong and McGinn probably would help him a lot offensively. However, I'm pretty sure that we can't win another cup with our current d-men. We must trade to get a top-4 d-man who can contribute in both sides of the rink. Faulk is this guy and we don't have many available in the market. In fact, we almost have no one. This is why Pens or any team who wants to bring him will have to overpay. You guys should know that the real market is not like the market in video games. To get real good players you have to overpay almost all the times. Specially a two-way d-man, like Faulk.

But I respect your point of view. I'm more agressive than you guys as a "GM".

PS.: Pens could still use Hornqvist pairing with Sheahan and Sprong with Sid. This option still would give Sheahan help offensively.

Dude they won a cup with Hainsy as their number 1 Dman.
Their blue line is fine. It looked a whole lot worse than what it is because of Letang last year. But he was coming off neck surgery. If it's the same this year, my guess is he is traded or retires. Maybe they will pitch Karlsson then.

You'll be right if Schultz plays well offensively again (like he did in 2016/2017) and Jack Johnson plays better than he played for Columbus last seasons. That's why my trade to get Faulk was in TD.

im not saying anything they shouldn't give up more than teams did for skinner, I agree he should be worth significantly more since multiple years of control mainly but also because of those other reasons to named. The skinner comparison is simply saying that Carolina isn't all in for this season so to say that they aren't rebuilding so anyone would have to vastly overpay is wrong. They don't seem to have an exact direction currently which is why I used the comparison.

In my opinion they traded Skinner cause they already have good options at wings, specially after draft Svechnikov, who have a much higher upside than Skinner. And the most important: they wanted to save cap to sign or trade for a top 6 C. Jordan Staal and Rask can't lead their team to the cup, like Erik Staal did. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least they should to think like that. Bring Hamilton turns their D into a very good one. They already have good wingers. Specially Svechnikov, Aho and Teuravainen. Now they need a top 6 C and a more consistent goalie to be considered a contender. If they do the right choices, they can be one in the next 1 or 2 seasons.