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Moving on from 7 2 and 15

Created by: Kyle_Davidson
Team: 2018-19 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 26, 2018
Published: Sep. 26, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Lol look at our Defense #Tank.
Trades
1.
CHI
  1. Hainsey, Ron
  2. Horton, Nathan
  3. Sandin, Rasmus
  4. 2019 1st round pick (TOR)
  5. 2019 3rd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Picks and a prospect for Chicago, stuff we need.

Cap dumps for Toronto (Horton doesn’t need to be included but I figure I might as well take him so the leafs don’t have to deal with LTIR)
TOR
  1. Keith, Duncan ($1,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Highlights of this trade
Stabilizing LHD with tons of experience and a good contract. Not expected to be a number 1 guy, but can step up and be versatile.
2.
VAN
  1. Fortin, Alexandre
  2. Noel, Nathan
  3. Seabrook, Brent
Additional Details:
Exchange bad contracts, perhaps there’s enough in it for Vancouver to do this? (Probably not)
3.
CHI
  1. 2019 1st round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Stable 3rd line center, rental RHD that may or may not be Kempny v2.
WPG
  1. Anisimov, Artem
  2. Rutta, Jan
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Me scratching together a bad trade so I could dream about another first round pick.
4.
CHI
    A picture with Gritty
    5.
    CHI
      Bonus compensation for Seabrook.
      VAN
      1. 2020 3rd round pick (CHI)
      Buyouts
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      20$79,500,000$58,993,333$1,232,500$5,047,500$20,506,667
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      $10,500,000$10,500,000
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      $778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
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      $2,775,000$2,775,000
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      $717,500$717,500 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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      UFA - 1
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      $750,000$750,000
      C, LW, RW
      UFA - 2
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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      $872,500$872,500
      LD
      UFA - 1
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      $3,850,000$3,850,000
      RD
      UFA - 4
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      $3,000,000$3,000,000
      G
      NMC
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
      $1,200,000$1,200,000
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      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
      $925,000$925,000
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      RFA - 3
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      $750,000$750,000
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      UFA - 1
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      $3,000,000$3,000,000
      RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
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      $750,833$750,833 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
      LD
      UFA - 1
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      G
      M-NTC, NMC
      UFA - 2

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      Sep. 26, 2018 at 9:46 p.m.
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      Bdinella
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      No way Flyers do that trade!
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 9:47 p.m.
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      Quoting: Bdinella
      No way Flyers do that trade!


      Damn, that’s the best piece coming back out of all of this...
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 10:08 p.m.
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      Have to add Lehterä. Gritty can’t come without his supplier.
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      Sep. 26, 2018 at 10:34 p.m.
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      Bdinella
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      Quoting: jwink19
      Have to add Lehterä. Gritty can’t come without his supplier.


      Haha. Awesome timing
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:13 p.m.
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      If were going to tank, might as well tank hard. I think Seabrook for Eriksson has made sense for a long time. I've made posts about it before and it makes sense. Probably have to retain on Anisimov 2 million to ensure that 1st rounder. Arty at 2.55 is a steal. Don't even bother buying out Horton he's only got 2 years left, and if the hawks take this route, they don't really need the extra space in those 2 years.
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: NickC1988
      If were going to tank, might as well tank hard. I think Seabrook for Eriksson has made sense for a long time. I've made posts about it before and it makes sense. Probably have to retain on Anisimov 2 million to ensure that 1st rounder. Arty at 2.55 is a steal. Don't even bother buying out Horton he's only got 2 years left, and if the hawks take this route, they don't really need the extra space in those 2 years.


      If the buyout calculator is correct, buying him out reduces the cap hit, but not the length. Could be wrong but meh, retaining on Anisimov is hard, we’re trading him in the division, and assuming WPG wants him I think they should pay the first rounder for the two players. That’s not to say that salary retention is out of the question, but we already retained in Keith and we would be tying our salary retention spots up for 4 years.
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: NickC1988
      If were going to tank, might as well tank hard. I think Seabrook for Eriksson has made sense for a long time. I've made posts about it before and it makes sense. Probably have to retain on Anisimov 2 million to ensure that 1st rounder. Arty at 2.55 is a steal. Don't even bother buying out Horton he's only got 2 years left, and if the hawks take this route, they don't really need the extra space in those 2 years.


      Just figured I would get you involved in this with the author here.

      What in the actual **** is that Toronto trade lol. That is such a long loud no. Hainsey and Horton are both off the books next season and we kinda need hainsey.

      Not sure if either of you saw any leafs pre season but sandin looks good... really good. And then a first and a second all to blow up our cap next season?
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:34 p.m.
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      Bandwagon fairweathe
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      Kieth could be the piece needed for wpg to put them over the top especially at the right price and anchor the second pairing with Buffy, and it would help actually biting the bullet on trading Trouba at the draft and or losing Myers in free agency. Ld would be set a matter of getting Trouba dealt or resigned and or Myers upgraded or resigned and lock up the rd. Not sure on wpg needing any forwards really they are a little top heavy with little and pearrault contracts holding up some talented kids
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:36 p.m.
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      Quoting: Jamiepo
      Just figured I would get you involved in this with the author here.

      What in the actual **** is that Toronto trade lol. That is such a long loud no. Hainsey and Horton are both off the books next season and we kinda need hainsey.

      Not sure if either of you saw any leafs pre season but sandin looks good... really good. And then a first and a second all to blow up our cap next season?


      Yes, that trade doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Toronto.
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:44 p.m.
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      Quoting: Jamiepo
      Just figured I would get you involved in this with the author here.

      What in the actual **** is that Toronto trade lol. That is such a long loud no. Hainsey and Horton are both off the books next season and we kinda need hainsey.

      Not sure if either of you saw any leafs pre season but sandin looks good... really good. And then a first and a second all to blow up our cap next season?


      What do you need Hainsey for next season? Keith comes at a retained salary and solidifys your blue line. He can provide experience to a young team like that and is still a top 4 Dman. In this deal you actually get cap relief. You get 4 million cap from Keith, but you subtract 8.3 million with the two cap dumps. If you want Hainsey for some reason you could keep him, but give us a different cap dump so we can have a better trade. (If no other cap dump is included I’m inclined to bump retained salary on Keith to 2.5 and take the third out.)
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: NickC1988
      Yes, that trade doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Toronto.


      I was made aware from leafs fans that they were looking for a top 4 LHD... if that has changed then perhaps I change Keith’s final destination.
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:56 p.m.
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      Bandwagon fairweathe
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      I was made aware from leafs fans that they were looking for a top 4 LHD... if that has changed then perhaps I change Keith’s final destination.


      Wpg could use the cup experience and has the youth and or cap dumps to make it work only thing is in division, but worse case he’s a bottom pairing mentor to the youth.
      Sep. 26, 2018 at 11:59 p.m.
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      Quoting: Birtle34
      Wpg could use the cup experience and has the youth and or cap dumps to make it work only thing is in division, but worse case he’s a bottom pairing mentor to the youth.


      I might have a tad of bias here, but Keith is not a bottom pair guy. Unless he’s on a really good team.
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 12:00 a.m.
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      I was made aware from leafs fans that they were looking for a top 4 LHD... if that has changed then perhaps I change Keith’s final destination.


      No it’s the right side but I don’t buy into that. Think we will do just fine with what we have. Hainsey is off the books next year. We have plenty of cap space this season, it’s next season that things get tight. You have taken no cap for next season and dumped Keith’s salary into the mix.
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 12:06 a.m.
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      Quoting: Jamiepo
      No it’s the right side but I don’t buy into that. Think we will do just fine with what we have. Hainsey is off the books next year. We have plenty of cap space this season, it’s next season that things get tight. You have taken no cap for next season and dumped Keith’s salary into the mix.



      Hortons contract has 2 years left I believe. So if you take his cap hit away from Keith’s then the savings are less than desirable. How about I take out Hainsley, increase retention on Keith to 2.5, take out the third and offer to take a contract that you see as a cap dump (this is adding to Horton)
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 12:10 a.m.
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      I might have a tad of bias here, but Keith is not a bottom pair guy. Unless he’s on a really good team.

      My thought was year 3 4 5 worst case scenario mentor some youth on bottom pair save wear and tear for playoffs and as injuries mount creep up the depth chart once again
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 12:11 a.m.
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      Quoting: Birtle34
      My thought was year 3 4 5 worst case scenario mentor some youth on bottom pair save wear and tear for playoffs and as injuries mount creep up the depth chart once again


      Yeah, this is all very hypothetical, I wrote on your post, go check it out.
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 12:12 a.m.
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      Hortons contract has 2 years left I believe. So if you take his cap hit away from Keith’s then the savings are less than desirable. How about I take out Hainsley, increase retention on Keith to 2.5, take out the third and offer to take a contract that you see as a cap dump (this is adding to Horton)


      We are literally piled with left D. Horton is on ltir next year so no cap hit at all. We are a young team and don’t really have any need for an aging Keith with 5 years left on his contract.
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      Sep. 27, 2018 at 12:21 a.m.
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      Quoting: Jamiepo
      We are literally piled with left D. Horton is on ltir next year so no cap hit at all. We are a young team and don’t really have any need for an aging Keith with 5 years left on his contract.


      I suppose that’s where it ends then.
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 9:08 a.m.
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      Leafs are very stable at LHD. Taking away Hainsey from the right side, just makes it so impractical for the Leafs. Strange how the Hawks traded away assets to rid themselves of Hossa's LTIR but now acquire one. in Horton.
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 9:59 a.m.
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      Quoting: palhal
      Leafs are very stable at LHD. Taking away Hainsey from the right side, just makes it so impractical for the Leafs. Strange how the Hawks traded away assets to rid themselves of Hossa's LTIR but now acquire one. in Horton.


      Horton has a very friendly contract compared to Hossa’s, shorter term and can be easily bought out. I hated moving Hossa’s contract.
      Sep. 27, 2018 at 5:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      Horton has a very friendly contract compared to Hossa’s, shorter term and can be easily bought out. I hated moving Hossa’s contract.


      No, players on LTIR cannot be bought out. I think the Hawks traded Hossa because there is a chance that he is cleared medically to play. Then Arizona takes his cap hit, though stays retired. Hawks couldn't afford the cap hit.
       
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