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Help me understand the cap

Created by: buxvet
Initial Creation Date: Oct 1, 2018
Published: Oct 1, 2018 at 9:42 pm
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
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  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
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  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
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2019
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STL
TOR
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DAL
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$79,500,000$67,283,333$2,550,000$5,400,000$12,216,667
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Leivo, Josh
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$894,167
RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$787,500
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Lindholm, Pär
$925,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 2
TOR
Ennis, Tyler
$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
TOR
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Gardiner, Jake
$4,050,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hainsey, Ron
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Sparks, Garret
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Ozhiganov, Igor
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$800,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Oct 1, 2018 at 9:48
#1
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If the Leafs cape hit is.....

Potential Perf bonus 5.4M
Forwards 32.745
Def 19.813
Goal 5.675
Retainned Kessel 1.2
59.15M Cap

Why is our cap hit 67.283 ???

If you factor in Horton
Thats +5.3
Thats 64.458

There is still a diff 2.825M
Oct 1, 2018 at 9:56
#2
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Peformance bonus rollover from last season.
Oct 1, 2018 at 9:57
#3
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I can see it being with Hortons salary
Because I think when a player is ltir you can go over the cap by that amount
So the cap hit is more not evened out

But why is the diff still 2.825
Does it have something to do with escrow ??
Oct 1, 2018 at 10:02
#4
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Quoting: buxvet
If the Leafs cape hit is.....

Potential Perf bonus 5.4M
Forwards 32.745
Def 19.813
Goal 5.675
Retainned Kessel 1.2
59.15M Cap


Why is our cap hit 67.283 ???

If you factor in Horton
Thats +5.3
Thats 64.458

There is still a diff 2.825M


You did the math wrong for the bolded section, and you forgot the overage.
Oct 1, 2018 at 10:03
#5
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Peformance bonus rollover from last season.


But we were under the cap last year, the perf bonuses did not get cap credited to last year ??
So does that mean the pot perf bonuses of 5.4 this year auto roll to next year ???
Oct 1, 2018 at 10:04
#6
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Quoting: J2W
You did the math wrong for this section, and you forgot the overage.


What is the overage. Where does that come from
Oct 1, 2018 at 10:09
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Quoting: buxvet
What is the overage. Where does that come from


According to cap friendly the Leafs were over cap and used LTIR to remain cap compliant last season, meaning that any bonus payed out is considered over the cap, LTIR doesn't cover bonuses. The Leafs paid 2.55M in performance bonuses last season which means they take a penalty equal to that on this years cap.
Oct 1, 2018 at 10:16
#8
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Quoting: buxvet
But we were under the cap last year, the perf bonuses did not get cap credited to last year ??
So does that mean the pot perf bonuses of 5.4 this year auto roll to next year ???


Any cap space gained by LTIR doesn't accumulate 'cap credit' for the end of the year. When a team has a player on LTIR they are treated as at the cap for end of season cap hit calculations.
Oct 1, 2018 at 10:21
#9
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Also, Horton going on LTIR provides no cap relief unless you are at or near the cap, so his full cap hit counts. Bonuses are not factored in. Sorry for the multiple post, but I needed to do a quick check to make sure my info was right.
Oct 1, 2018 at 10:30
#10
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Quoting: J2W
Any cap space gained by LTIR doesn't accumulate 'cap credit' for the end of the year. When a team has a player on LTIR they are treated as at the cap for end of season cap hit calculations.


For a few years the Leafs placed Lupul and Horton on LTIR. As a result the Leafs, by rule, had to carry their Performance Bonuses over to the following year. Now the Leafs could still do this year but they won't.
Since they need all there cap room next year with expensive RFA signings, they want/need to carry Horton on cap roster. Look at your roster....12.2m in cap space. Pay the bonuses this year that's 5.4m so that leaves 7.8m in cap space. Sign Nylander for 6.8m that leave 1m in cap space this year. Send Holl to to the minors for your 23 man playing roster, then it's 1.675 in real cap space this year. Enough for a TDL addition.
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Oct 1, 2018 at 10:37
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Quoting: buxvet
But we were under the cap last year, the perf bonuses did not get cap credited to last year ??
So does that mean the pot perf bonuses of 5.4 this year auto roll to next year ???


It's a team option....if they have cap space they won't do a carryover. See my explanation above why the Leafs don't want any Perf Bonus carryover and for that reason why Horton has to be on the roster this year.

Next year the Leafs can put Horton on LTIR, spend to the cap and have a carryover of about 400,000 (a modest amount) to 2020/21.
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Oct 1, 2018 at 10:38
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Quoting: palhal
For a few years the Leafs placed Lupul and Horton on LTIR. As a result the Leafs, by rule, had to carry their Performance Bonuses over to the following year. Now the Leafs could still do this year but they won't.
Since they need all there cap room next year with expensive RFA signings, they want/need to carry Horton on cap roster. Look at your roster....12.2m in cap space. Pay the bonuses this year that's 5.4m so that leaves 7.8m in cap space. Sign Nylander for 6.8m that leave 1m in cap space this year. Send Holl to to the minors for your 23 man playing roster, then it's 1.675 in real cap space this year. Enough for a TDL addition.


Quoting the wrong person, but perfect break down of the LTIR/performance bonus thing. I was explaining why the overage was there, they were at cap last season.
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Oct 1, 2018 at 11:43
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Quoting: buxvet
But we were under the cap last year, the perf bonuses did not get cap credited to last year ??
So does that mean the pot perf bonuses of 5.4 this year auto roll to next year ???


Looks like you already got the right answers here, palhal knows all about this too. But to break it down further...

Ltir is not free cap space. When a player is placed on ltir it allows you to spend over the cap. In order for this to work though you need to be at the cap limit when the player is put on ltir. This gives you the room to add another player to the roster... I will show you how it would work if we were to use ltir this season (which would be a huge mistake)

With Horton on the roster we would have to be at the upper limit 79.5m to get relief. we would than put Nathan Horton on ltir we would than be allowed to spend 84.8m on salaries. Our cap hit before replacing Horton would show 74.2m because of the salary relief but we would actually be at the ceiling of 79.5m This relief of 5.3m can only be used for player salaries and can not be used to pay performance bonuses. The bonuses would carry over to next season. This is what happened last year.
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Oct 2, 2018 at 8:31
#14
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Thanks for getting this discussion started!
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