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Created by: ChiChief

Team: 2018-19 Colorado Avalanche

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 5, 2018

Published: Dec. 11, 2018

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Avs fans:
Retaining the salary gives you more space to sign Rantanen and go after another FA next offseason. Duchene would look real nice centering that second line, but idk if he'd come back to Colorado. And I would think getting Kane for 5 years at 6.9mil (nice) while only giving up one current roster player AND not giving up your top prospect, Cale Makar, is prettayyy prettayyyy, prettayyy good. Real strong window for at least the next 3-5 years while Landeskog MacKinnon and Kane are on those valuable deals.

Hawks fans:

Just throwing this out there. I don't believe we're moving Kane, just bored and exploring what a return might look like, cause what else are we supposed to do this season? Also my angle is that the hawks go into a multi-year rebuild of acquiring and developing assets.

-Jost could be a high end second line player, someone who hasn't developed as fast as Avalanche fans would have liked, has time to develop in Chicago. Major skill, still inconsistent. 10th overall 2016. Think he develops a lot under Toews as that is the player Jost is most compared to.
-Kaut has a lot of potential, young, and could be future top six guy. Well rounded, nothing flashy is best description. 16th overall 2018. Low key Czech connection between him Kampf and Kahun makes him more comfortable as he learns English?
-Timmins could be part of a shut down second pair for the Hawks. We have a lot of young right hand shots coming up but he could be better than them, or at least give us another strong asset for a future trade. Very smart dman, although dealing with concussion issues and as we've seen from Crawford that could take a long time to come back.
-Then a few more picks to throw at the wall (Ottawa could be top 5 overall) and see what sticks since it's entirely possible none of the above players amount to anything more than depth guys. In which case, yes, this would be a bad trade, though they'd still be better than our bottom six right now. But it could also give us the high end young talent we need to surround big name FAs.

Trades

COL

Kane, Patrick ($3,600,000 retained)
2019 4th round pick (CHI)

CHI

Jost, Tyson
Kaut, Martin
Timmins, Conor
2019 1st round pick (OTT)
2020 1st round pick (COL)

Buyouts

Brooks Orpik: $2,500,000
Francois Beauchemin: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2018
2019
2020
2021

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$79,500,000	$61,839,761	$0	$1,420,000	$17,660,239

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Landeskog, Gabriel $5,571,429$5,571,429 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 3	MacKinnon, Nathan $6,300,000$6,300,000 C UFA - 5	Rantanen, Mikko $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, C UFA - 1
Compher, J.T. $925,000$925,000 ($100,000$100K) C, RW UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) LW, C, RW UFA - 1
Wilson, Colin $3,937,500$3,937,500 C, LW UFA - 1	Söderberg, Carl $4,750,000$4,750,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Nieto, Matt $1,975,000$1,975,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Calvert, Matt $2,850,000$2,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 3		Bourque, Gabriel $950,000$950,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Greer, AJ $741,666$741,666 ($75,000$75K) RW, LW UFA - 1	Kamenev, Vladislav $833,333$833,333 C RFA - 1	Andrighetto, Sven $1,400,000$1,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
		Kane, Patrick -$975,000-$975,000 RW NMC UFA - 5

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Girard, Samuel $728,333$728,333 ($182,500$182K) LD/RD UFA - 2	Johnson, Erik $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5	Varlamov, Semyon $5,900,000$5,900,000 G UFA - 1
Cole, Ian $3,450,000$3,450,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Barrie, Tyson $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 2	Grubauer, Philipp $3,333,333$3,333,333 G UFA - 3
Nemeth, Patrik $2,500,000$2,500,000 LD UFA - 1	Zadorov, Nikita $2,150,000$2,150,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Barberio, Mark $1,450,000$1,450,000 LD UFA - 2

Dec. 11, 2018 at 2:35 p.m.

Skyraider112

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I don't think Colorado is trading all of that plus a likely top 5 pick. Maybe the rest excluding that Ottawa pick and Colorado might

Dec. 11, 2018 at 2:43 p.m.

csick

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That's a lot to give up

Dec. 11, 2018 at 2:57 p.m.

coga16

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Avs are not interested at that price...NOPE

Dec. 11, 2018 at 2:57 p.m.

ChiChief

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Quoting: csick

That's a lot to give up

It is for sure, it's more of none of those pieces coming back have already proven themselves and the hawks would be paying 3.6 mil per year to have Patrick Kane play against them in their own division so I added a couple extra picks.

Dec. 11, 2018 at 2:59 p.m.

coga16

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Quoting: Skyraider112

I don't think Colorado is trading all of that plus a likely top 5 pick. Maybe the rest excluding that Ottawa pick and Colorado might

wouldnt even do it if you took out the Otts pick...I dont see how this helps the team out at all. Kane is an amazing player but all this does is give a dvision rival a huge kick start at a young rebuild and it kills the Avs youth on the roster and in the pipeline forcing them into a win now window.

Its just bad business to give that much youth for a team like the Avs who are just going to enter into their compete window. Why shrink it before it even starts

Dec. 11, 2018 at 3:02 p.m.

ChiChief

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Quoting: coga16

Which is also why I retained money so you're getting 5 years of Kane at 6.9 mil. It's fine if you don't want to trade youth for an exceptional chance now, I feel like this gives the Avs an incredible 5 year window.

Dec. 11, 2018 at 3:08 p.m.

ChiChief

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Always up for negotiations! That's how real deals get done.

Dec. 11, 2018 at 3:39 p.m.

codyyymd16

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this is what i call an... NHL 19 trade

Dec. 11, 2018 at 5:18 p.m.

coga16

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Quoting: ChiChief

5 years of Kane or 10 years of Jost, Kaut, Timmins, and Top picks...its a no brainier.

ITs a bad trade to give up taht much youth for Kane. Sorry but its a homerish trade return especially from an up and ocming division rival Avs

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Dec. 11, 2018 at 7:14 p.m.

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ChiChief

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Quoting: coga16

I truly don't think it's that egregious of a trade. What if the Avs win 3 cups over the next 5 years? Also, 10 years? If those prospects are as good as you think they'll become, you'll need to pay them much sooner and I'm not sure Avs have the cap space if Rantanen gets paid and they want to keep everyone else around. Hawks should be a warning to teams who dish out long, expensive contracts.

My view is Jost is the elite prospect but only has 10 points in 26 games this year. Nick Schmaltz had 11 points in 23 games and we gave up on him even after he had 52 points last year (not saying that was the right move at all just making a point). Jost only had 22. If he only gets 30 points this year people are going to be whispering the b word. Then Kaut is a good prospect but it's not like he's elite. And Timmins hasn't played all year due to head injuries. They even sent him home after rehab setbacks to try to get his morale up. That's a MAJOR red flag. You guys get the elite 80 point scorer. We are the ones taking risks on prospects who may never pan out. The OTT 1st is an insurance policy. The late 1st isn't special, but needed since it's the best you've got and we're eating a lot of salary to a division rival for 5 years.

That's just how I see everything. I think both sides of this trade have strong value, I also thought the Avs would want to milk all the opportunity they have this year with Rantanen on his ELC and the next few years while Landeskog and MacKinnon are on cheap contracts. There's even enough money to bring back Duchene next year (if you'd want to) and put him next to Kane, and you still have a lot of young talent like Makar, Sampo Ranta, Shane Bowers, AJ Greer, Kamanev, Ty Lewis and Nic Meloche. What if we switched Kaut with Ranta, Bowers or Lewis?

Dec. 11, 2018 at 10:05 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: ChiChief

Its a terrible move, if you cant see it then there is no point in trying to talk you about it. Avs have spent some good time building up a prospect pool that is respectable and has done well drafting and developing

They arent goign to kill half the farm for a 30 year old Kane in the hopes they win one cup. Hawks had their fun won their cups but you arent going to get an in division team to bail them out and help them rebuild their roster and prospect pool. Be serious

Dec. 11, 2018 at 11:28 p.m.

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TJTwolf

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I'm with Coga on this. Kane is a cracking player but no, not at that price. Far too much future quality to give up. You don't build that kind of prospect pool to chance it on the likes of Kane.

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