Would Flyers be Willing To Bail Them Out

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Created by: MG1986

Team: 2018-19 Edmonton Oilers

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 23, 2019

Published: Jan. 23, 2019

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It's pretty ridiculous that ex-GM Chiarelli was allowed to extend Mikko Koskinen a day (I believe) before he was fired.

Looking around the league, there are only a number of teams that might be able to bail this organization out of their most recent mistep, but it will cost them.

I've chosen the Flyers because Carter Hart will still be on his ELC deal (provided he doesn't surpass 40 games played) when Koskinen's contract is up. Their combined contract value would still be less than starting goalies for the majority of teams.

Am I neither an Oilers fan or Flyers fan, so hopefully trade value going each way, considering the circumstances are reasonably and objectively fair.

The biggest question that will probably pop up in replies - why would the Flyers ever do this?

Well, although there is obvious risk to acquiring prospects on the cusp of being NHL-ready, both young wingers could use a change of scenery I am sure, and who both have the potential to be quality NHLers in the near future. In Koskinen, the Flyers acquire a very expensive back-up, but who would be able to help with the work load of Carter Hart.

Why would the Oilers ever do this? Well, Matthew Strome is no sure thing as far as the NHL is concerned, but has shown flashes of brilliance and is having another good season in the OHL. Assuming the Oilers are patient with him, he could become a quality NHL player some day. By acquiring McDonald, they save 2 years of Koskinen's extension, which for a cap-strapped team, is important. Finally, Anthony Stolarz is still a young goalie, and just might be great. With Carter Hart now solely entrenched in Philly, why not at least try to get something for him.

As always, leave your thoughts and comments. I can only imagine with Oilers fans will think of this AGM :P

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EDM

PHI

Buyouts

Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
Eric Gryba: $300,000

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Al Montoya: $37,500 ($1,062,500)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2018
2019
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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$79,500,000	$78,052,415	$0	$82,500	$1,447,585

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Lucic, Milan $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 5	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C UFA - 8	Kassian, Zack $1,950,000$1,950,000 RW UFA - 2
Rieder, Tobias $2,000,000$2,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW UFA - 7	Rattie, Ty $800,000$800,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Khaira, Jujhar $675,000$675,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, C UFA - 3	Chiasson, Alex $650,000$650,000 RW UFA - 1
Spooner, Ryan $3,100,000$3,100,000 C, LW UFA - 2		Brodziak, Kyle $1,150,000$1,150,000 C UFA - 2
	Cave, Colby $675,000$675,000 C RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000$4,167,000 LD UFA - 5	Larsson, Adam $4,166,666$4,166,666 RD UFA - 3	Talbot, Cam $4,166,666$4,166,666 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Nurse, Darnell $3,200,000$3,200,000 LD UFA - 2	Russell, Kris $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 3
MacDonald, Andrew $5,000,000$5,000,000 RD UFA - 2	Benning, Matthew $1,900,000$1,900,000 RD UFA - 2	Stolarz, Anthony $761,250$761,250 G UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Manning, Brandon $2,250,000$2,250,000 LD UFA - 2	Mantha, Ryan $870,000$870,000 ($82,500$82K) RD UFA - 2	Sekera, Andrej $5,500,000$5,500,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 3
Petrovic, Alex $1,950,000$1,950,000 RD UFA - 1	Gravel, Kevin $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:12 p.m.

A_K

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I don't think the Oilers would trade Koskinen for A-Mac, so why are they offering up 2 of their most promising wingers? The Koskinen signing isn't really a mis-step, it's just a high-risk move (and they should've gotten a discounted price for doing it prematurely).

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Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:12 p.m.

TheDream_43

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This trade would get the new GM fired on most teams. In Edmonton, they will only allow about 5 more of them.

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Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:13 p.m.

MG1986

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Quoting: A_K

There's more to the deal then that though. I would say that for a goalie as old as Koskinen, with as little experience as Koskinen, it was a mis-step, especially when you consider the cap implications for the future.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:14 p.m.

MG1986

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Quoting: TheDream_43

This trade would get the new GM fired on most teams. In Edmonton, they will only allow about 5 more of them.

Haha while I realize Oilers fans love their prospects, they don't develop them and neither of these players are doing much of anything. I see this is a win-win and keep in mind, Oilers would be acquiring Matthew Strome, who is a good prospect. I originally thought about including Morgan Frost instead, but changed it.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:15 p.m.

A_K

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Quoting: MG1986

If they signed Talbot for 4.5m would anyone bat an eye? It's not like they were gonna save money by not having a starting goalie. They're just going with their guy. Goaltending is always a risk, but imagine if they pawned off Pulju and Yamo and then Koskinen had a .930 sv% for the next 3 seasons?

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Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:18 p.m.

mk458

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Wow, huge no from Edmonton. That trade is brutal. The Koskinen signing is risky, no doubt. But he's actually been pretty good this season, behind a bad defense too. So now you want to give up one of our best prospects and Puljujarvi just to get rid of him??? And we're taking back a cap dump???? What on earth is going on here?

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Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:19 p.m.

MG1986

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Quoting: A_K

Yeah but a .930% as a backup to Carter Hart (at least in my AGM scenario) is different. There are backups around the league who with a more minimal amount of work, show better numbers. Look, there are always risks, and resigning Talbot for that kind of money coming off 2 awful seasons would have been just as bad. What the Oilers really need is a good young goalie (Anthony Stolarz who has the potential to do good things in a fresh city). You may recall Stolarz used to be considered a very highly regarded goalie prospect.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:19 p.m.

TheDream_43

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Quoting: MG1986

Philly fans would blow up if you mentioned moving Frost haha. I'd say they wait to see how Koskinen does, as the contract isn't bad if it works out. The problem was how premature it was, they basically paid for what they hope he'll be after a tiny sample size.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:20 p.m.

MG1986

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Quoting: mk458

Look at the description - you actually save money long term and bring in a young goaltender in Anthony Stolarz and a good prospect in Matthew Strome. Besides, the Oilers messed up Jesse and Kailer so bad, they will never reach their full potential as long as they remain with this team.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:21 p.m.

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Whoever defends this trade suggesting it's fair can gtfo EDM loses this trade 10 times out of 10 MacDonald is brutal an cost more then koskinen oilers have enough meh goalie prospects an not another strome this is bad and shouldn't even be talked about

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:22 p.m.

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Quoting: MG1986

Bud they're 20 years old lmao your insight an thought towards this trade is utter bull**** be better

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Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:22 p.m.

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Quoting: TheDream_43

Yes very tiny sample size for a goalie who is 30 years old. And yes, I am well aware of Philly fans love affair with Morgan Frost. I figured with a good winger prospect in Matthew Strome, they could actually develop him well for a change. He may not be the fastest guy out there, but he could be a serviceable NHLer someday. It's just a matter of patience.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:23 p.m.

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mk458

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Quoting: MG1986

Kailer and Puljujarvi are still more valuable than Strome, he's not on their skill level. There's just absolutely no need for Edmonton to do this. They need a starting goalie, Koskinen is their starter. Value isn't fair and the need isn't there

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:24 p.m.

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Gronk

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Is this Chia's burner?

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Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:24 p.m.

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MG1986

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Quoting: Dylan1995

Bud they're 20 years old lmao your insight an thought towards this trade is utter bull**** be better

Hillarious all around - thank you for that. I suspect you enjoy living the status quo that is your team losing on a regular and constant basis. Consistently rebuilding this team must be your cup of tea. I am offering objective insight as what I see as a win-win deal for both organizations. Your organization failed your 2 prospects here that are being dealt, let it go already.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:24 p.m.

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A_K

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Quoting: MG1986

Just look at the trade again buddy. It's an aging, 2-yr cap dump defenseman, Philly's 3rd-best (?) goalie prospect, 5th (?) best forward prospect for Edmonton's best young players with high upside and a goalie that hasn't really even shown whether he's good or bad...

There is no justifying this from the Oilers side. It doesn't save them money and they lose all of the upside in the deal, save for the small possibility that Strome is a top six player and Stolarz is an NHL goalie.

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Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:27 p.m.

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Quoting: MG1986

THEYRE 20 YEARS OLD they're not 24 an struggling god damn take your BIASED glasses off an be a little better at this man oh man an here I thought chia was bad even that idiot wouldn't make this trade this is bad an the fact you're defending it is even worse

Jan. 23, 2019 at 4:32 p.m.

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Gronk

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Quoting: MG1986

Take in Strome is more of a failed prospect because he will never be a constant NHLer while both Yammy and Pulju will.

Jan. 23, 2019 at 7:08 p.m.

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This is Chiarelli type thinking. If your pissed at him for making bad moves, lool in the mirror. This is potentially worse.......

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