Hall will get something like Lauzon, Studnicka, JKF, 1st, 2nd that becomes a 1st if he re-signs.
or something like Carlo, Heinen, Senyshyn, 1st, conditional 1st

and Erik Karlsson was going to get 400 first rounders, right?

This is very similar to the Karlsson deal. One good young NHL player, a couple kinda iffy prospects with some upside, and a bunch of conditional picks that can turn into a whole bunch of firsts if things bounce right.

Fair.

So something like Lauzon, Heinen, JFK or Bjork, 1st, conditional 1st if they win the cup and/or Hall re-signs

Not enough imo. We're talking about a reigning MVP and a solid 90-point winger.

The return should be close to similar when compared to the Karlsson trade.

In this case, the trade could be for example...


Heinen = Tierney
Grzelcyk = DeMelo
Vaakanainen = Norris
Cehlarik = Balcers
2020 1st round pick
2021 2nd round pick
2022 2nd round pick


Taylor Hall
Stefan Noesen

Well, let's take a gander at that player by player.
1. Heinen for Tierney. I'm giving the edge to Heinen there for a couple reasons, and I say this fully admitting I haven't seen too much of Tierney this year, and it's kind of tough to judge a player that played for a team as bad as ottawa. Prior to this year (at the time of the trade), Tierney had 4 years in the league and topped out at 40 points. Heinen's rookie year he had 47. He definitely had a major slump for the first half of this season, but he's bounced back so it looks like that might have been a sophomore slump that he's cracked. I think Heinen is a better two way player, and has more versatility, being able to play special teams on both side of the puck, both wings, and center in a pinch.
2. Balcers for Bjork. I think they both stink, but Bjork definitely has a higher upside.
3. Lauzon for Josh Norris. Ya, I think that's fair and about even. Norris probably has a higher upside, but I think Lauzon has a much higher probability of being a regular NHLer.
4. Demelo for....ya nothing there on the bruins side.
5. the picks are a wash.
then factor in that Karlson had about triple the value last year that hall does this year in my opinion because he is 1. better. 2. way more consistent in terms of putting in elite seasons, and 3. plays a more important position, and I'm starting to think that if anything, this is a slight overpay.

But sure, Heinen, Lauzon, Bjork, two 2nds. 2nd upgrades to a first if the bruins win the cup, other 2nd upgrades to a first if Hall re-signs.

point of order.
Grizz = 50x Demelo.
Vaakainanen>Norris. Sorry, type, Vaakainanen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norris.

DeMelo is at least as good as Grzelcyk. He had fairly decent numbers for a defensive D in the worst team in the league by far.

Also weren't Vaakanainen and Norris drafted one after the other? I don't see how Vaakanainen would be that much better.

Can't say I know too well about how Norris has performed. But I wouldn't be surprised if that were the demand.

U gotta pay to get top talent. Not B-prospects who'll most likely never get to the NHL like Zboril.

There is no aspect of hockey where Demelo is better than Grizz. Grzelcyk is far better defensively, far better with possession, better offensively, about a thousand times better in the neutral zone, and somehow i think he's way more physical.

Norris has been asbolutely underwhelming at the NCAA level. Vaakainanen played in the NHL for a couple games before getting elbowed in the temple, and he didn't just look like he fit, he looked like he was really good.

You've gotta pay to get talent....if they have term. Otherwise you do what San Jose did and throw a bunch of underwhelming assets at a desperate team.

These offers have put massive pressure on the B's scouting staff to pluck some Datsyuks in the 6/7th draft round cause the cupboards have been raided, oh my!
But don't worry Taylor Hall to the rescue - please!
If your going to kill the Bruins at least try for some guys w/ rings or more than 5 playoff games in his 9 year career...FIVE!

Somehow this would seem far more convincing if it weren't a biased BOS fan saying things like that.

And comparing NJ to OTT is pretty foolish. NJ isn't nearly in as bad situation, they have a good GM, head coach and owner, while OTT is a complete dumpster fire that has literally everything wrong with it.

If Hall wants money, they can offer whatever he likes. The situation was not that in OTT.

Full disclosure: I am assessing the Hall situation with the MN Wild in mind...rebuilding situation. So here goes... Hall is obviously a great player...but, he has a looooong history of injuries. He will be the very scary age of 29 when his current contract is up and you need to resign him...probably for a long-term, big money deal. If I were a team's GM, these are the types of players I would avoid at (almost) any cost! Add to this he is a LW...the easiest position to fill in hockey and...I'm not investing a bunch of valuable pieces and parts to obtain him.

As far as the Wild trade here goes, you are going to have to do a LOT better than Bjork and a 3rd to get the Wild to take Backes off your hands...probably your 1st or a much better prospect.

Yup, that looks like a good trade

For the devils....sure does.

Kinda brutal for Boston though

Hall signed to an extension? He’s a Hart winner man. It’s similar to the Karlsson trade like suggested

1. No it isn’t really.
2. Karlsson is sooooo much more valuable than hall. Hall has one awesome year, one real good year, and like 7 okay years.
3. He isn’t signed to an extension

I’m saying if there was an extension in place. Hall with extension > Karlsson without extension. Anyways it’s pointless discussing a Hall Trade now. Hall-Hughes-Palmari will be a very good line next season

I’m guessing hall is moved at the deadline

depends how they do. its certainly a possibility but if Hall and Hughes click, I doubt they'd move him. Hughes and Hall train in real life in the offseason so they already have some familiarity with each other. NJD has some good guys with Halls, Hughes, Heisher, McLeod, Ty Smith, Butcher, etc...

Just for the record, halls average season looks like: 62 games played. 22 goals. 34 assists. 56 points.
Karlsson before the trade: 70 games. 14 goals. 44 assists. 58 points.

If both of those look light, it’s because there was the lockout shortened season, and I didn’t really care to do the math because they both had to deal with it. I kinda think a year of Karlsson, and a year to negotiate with him is worth more than an extended hall.

guess it depends on the team. if a Karlsson extension is likely then yeah its worth the gamble. if Karlsson is strictly a rental (which I think he is in San Jose) then id rather get 8 years of hall then a 1 year of EK.

And thats the point. Hall doesn't want money, he wants playoffs

Well after the draft lottery, I'm pretty sure that NJ is going to have a pretty nice future coming.

Not when Hall is 33. Hall is 27 next year, the rebuild will take a decent while, 3 years to say the least. Hall wants playoffs right now because if he was to wait until hes 30 or 31, he wouldn't be worth as much as he could get right now and he just wasted his prime. If I were him, I would talk to the NJD staff for a trade and than tell them that I would be coming back to the team at a certain point. I don't think it is that hard..

Just by looking at his tweets, I think you're wrong.

He seems genuinely excited to be able to play with such young stars as Hischier and maybe Hughes or Kakko the next year.

I think he's gonna re-sign there. Long-term. Talking about something like 8x11 contract, maybe.

Kinda doubt it. I had like 5 or 6 sources on the internet and a bunch of tweets explaining Hall wanting out. He might resign there but at the same time, kinda doubting it. I mean maybe he wants to play with young stars, but I believe he would want Lord Stanley even more. That is from my point of view but I believe he will have the same stance