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Nylander - Slowly get better

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Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 16, 2019
Published: Apr. 16, 2019
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Apr. 16, 2019 at 8:58 a.m.
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7M to fill 1 hole or 2-3 UFA and top 10 selection which would fill 2-3 holes. Example signing Tanev, Donskoi and Pirri with that 7M and selecting Turcotte with #8 feels like a better way to get the depth the Oilers need
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Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:02 a.m.
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Nylander isnt getting traded
Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:07 a.m.
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Nylander isnt getting traded


Especially for the 8th overall pick.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Jascoldwell
Especially for the 8th overall pick.


The fact that you think he is worth more than that is hilarious and shows again that Leafs fans over-value their players.

Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
7M to fill 1 hole or 2-3 UFA and top 10 selection which would fill 2-3 holes. Example signing Tanev, Donskoi and Pirri with that 7M and selecting Turcotte with #8 feels like a better way to get the depth the Oilers need


More bottom 6 talent...fantastic! Then you can wait 2-3 years for your player to be NHL ready...that will keep McDavid happy!
Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:14 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The fact that you think he is worth more than that is hilarious and shows again that Leafs fans over-value their players.


Nylander isn't worth more than a 2nd round pick with close to $7M cap hit.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:19 a.m.
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More bottom 6 talent...fantastic! Then you can wait 2-3 years for your player to be NHL ready...that will keep McDavid happy!


I’d say middle 6 depth. RNH was driving his line pretty well for the wingers he was given lastyear any of the 3 I listed are improvements over Rieder, Khaira or Chiasson. Plus Benson looks promising to take the next step soon
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Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:20 a.m.
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Nylander isn't worth more than a 2nd round pick with close to $7M cap hit.


My bad, didn't realize you are an Oilers fan. He absolutely is worth more than a 2nd. If you put him with McDavid he would likely get 80+ points and then you would be saying his $7 mil is a steal.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:21 a.m.
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I’d say middle 6 depth. RNH was driving his line pretty well for the wingers he was given lastyear any of the 3 I listed are improvements over Rieder, Khaira or Chiasson. Plus Benson looks promising to take the next step soon


Non of those guys you listed are 2nd line players no matter who you stick with them.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:32 a.m.
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My bad, didn't realize you are an Oilers fan. He absolutely is worth more than a 2nd. If you put him with McDavid he would likely get 80+ points and then you would be saying his $7 mil is a steal.


Don't want that lazy ass anywhere near the Oilers.

That $6+M Can go along ways to sign 2 players.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 9:37 a.m.
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Don't want that lazy ass anywhere near the Oilers.

That $6+M Can go along ways to sign 2 players.


Not in today's NHL it can't. The Oilers need high end talent, not bottom 6 forwards (well they need both but start with talent). Why are Oilers fans so against making their team better? It is truly baffling!
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Apr. 16, 2019 at 10:15 a.m.
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Non of those guys you listed are 2nd line players no matter who you stick with them.

@Bluetomorrow83

Not my battle, but I thought some facts were in order:

Tanev plays the 3rd hardest minutes of any forward on his team, after Wheeler and Scheifele. He starts a lot more in the d-zone than they do too. He has a positive DFF% and GF% during those minutes. By TOI, linemates and production he's a 3rd liner. He's WPG's best PKer. These things have value to EDM, even if they aren't sexy.

Donskoi plays anywhere from 1st to 3rd line, had the 7th toughest minutes on his team this year and doesn't PK, but man his numbers vs Elites are good - easily best on his team.

Pirri is a 4th liner, gets fantastic results (71 GF%!) but in a fairly sheltered role.

Nylander is a good 2nd liner, has the advantage of being younger than the others, but played very sheltered minutes this year due to starting late. Even last year though, he played the 7th toughest minutes on the team, hardly a 1st line driver.

I thought I would add each player's 5v5 p/60 (and TOI) - and their most common linemates - for the last few years for context.

Nylander
16-17: 1.77 (1050:46) - Matthews, Hyman
17-18: 2.38 (1134:55) - Hyman, Matthews
18-19: 1.78 (708:49) - Kadri, Matthews

Donskoi
16-17: 0.98 (736:52) - Couture, Ward
17-18: 1.85 (842:40) - Pavelski, Meier
18-19: 1.90 (1008:55) - Kane, Hertl

Tanev
16-17: 0.53 (452:55) - Lowry, Thorburn
17-18: 1.41 (640:19) - Copp, Lowry
18-19: 1.53 (940:19) - Lowry, Perrault

Pirri
16-17: 0.95 (571:01) - Lindberg, Fast
17-18: 6.02 (29:54) - Tuch, Karlsson
18-19: 1.91 (376:40) - Tuch, Eakin
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Apr. 16, 2019 at 10:23 a.m.
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The trade is good for the leafs cap, good for mcdavid and stops the oilers from spoiling another prospect. I think it’s fair value both ways. I don’t think dubas will move nylander but this is certainly not the worst move.
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Apr. 16, 2019 at 10:26 a.m.
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@Bluetomorrow83

Not my battle, but I thought some facts were in order:

Tanev plays the 3rd hardest minutes of any forward on his team, after Wheeler and Scheifele. He starts a lot more in the d-zone than they do too. He has a positive DFF% and GF% during those minutes. By TOI, linemates and production he's a 3rd liner. He's WPG's best PKer. These things have value to EDM, even if they aren't sexy.

Donskoi plays anywhere from 1st to 3rd line, had the 7th toughest minutes on his team this year and doesn't PK, but man his numbers vs Elites are good - easily best on his team.

Pirri is a 4th liner, gets fantastic results (71 GF%!) but in a fairly sheltered role.

Nylander is a good 2nd liner, has the advantage of being younger than the others, but played very sheltered minutes this year due to starting late. Even last year though, he played the 7th toughest minutes on the team, hardly a 1st line driver.

I thought I would add each player's 5v5 p/60 (and TOI) - and their most common linemates - for the last few years for context.

Nylander
16-17: 1.77 (1050:46) - Matthews, Hyman
17-18: 2.38 (1134:55) - Hyman, Matthews
18-19: 1.78 (708:49) - Kadri, Matthews

Donskoi
16-17: 0.98 (736:52) - Couture, Ward
17-18: 1.85 (842:40) - Pavelski, Meier
18-19: 1.90 (1008:55) - Kane, Hertl

Tanev
16-17: 0.53 (452:55) - Lowry, Thorburn
17-18: 1.41 (640:19) - Copp, Lowry
18-19: 1.53 (940:19) - Lowry, Perrault

Pirri
16-17: 0.95 (571:01) - Lindberg, Fast
17-18: 6.02 (29:54) - Tuch, Karlsson
18-19: 1.91 (376:40) - Tuch, Eakin


Funny because Donskoi can't even crack the SJ lineup and Pirri can't crack the Vegas lineup. Tanev is a very good 3rd liner and will likely get a substantial raise.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 10:43 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Funny

What's funny? I provided some facts, not any particular interpretation or opinion.

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Donskoi can't even crack the SJ lineup

And VGK is skating circles around them because of it.

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Pirri can't crack the Vegas lineup.

Not surprised, Pirri has been in and out of the lineup with a "lower body" injury.

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Tanev is a very good 3rd liner and will likely get a substantial raise.

Unlikely WPG will be able to sign him to a substantial raise, what with Laine, Connor and Trouba needing new contracts. For sure it won't be their 1st priority.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 10:47 a.m.
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What's funny? I provided some facts, not any particular interpretation or opinion.


And VGK is skating circles around them because of it.


Not surprised, Pirri has been in and out of the lineup with a "lower body" injury.


Unlikely WPG will be able to sign him to a substantial raise, what with Laine, Connor and Trouba needing new contracts. For sure it won't be their 1st priority.


Sounds like excuses to me. Tanev may not be paid by WPG but someone will shell out some cash for him. Just what EDM needs, another bottom 6F making $3+ mil!
Apr. 16, 2019 at 10:55 a.m.
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Sounds like excuses to me. Tanev may not be paid by WPG but someone will shell out some cash for him. Just what EDM needs, another bottom 6F making $3+ mil!


Nope, they don't need that.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 11:06 a.m.
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Not in today's NHL it can't. The Oilers need high end talent, not bottom 6 forwards (well they need both but start with talent). Why are Oilers fans so against making their team better? It is truly baffling!


Say Edmonton decides to trade the 2019 1st for Nylander, how are the Oilers going to fit Nylander on the team when they don't have to cap space to do so.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 11:07 a.m.
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Say Edmonton decides to trade the 2019 1st for Nylander, how are the Oilers going to fit Nylander on the team when they don't have to cap space to do so.


Ummm...did you look at the above team?
Apr. 16, 2019 at 11:14 a.m.
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Ummm...did you look at the above team?


Yes I did, and if you think that Yamamoto, Benson and Puljujarvi are on the team next season, the Oilers are in worse shape than this year.

Also if Bear is a scratch, he is better playing in the AHL to get valuable playing time.

One last thing, Puljujarvi will get more than $850,000 as he needs at least a 10% increase over his $925,000 this year. So make his contract $1,015,000 just to qualify. You can pencil Puljujarvi in at $1,500,000 on a 2-way contract.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 11:16 a.m.
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Yes I did, and if you think that Yamamoto, Benson and Puljujarvi are on the team next season, the Oilers are in worse shape than this year.

Also if Bear is a scratch, he is better playing in the AHL to get valuable playing time.

One last thing, Puljujarvi will get more than $850,000 as he needs at least a 10% increase over his $975,000 this year. So make his contract $1,020,000 just to qualify. You can pencil Puljujarvi in at $1,500,000 on a 2-way contract.


$874,125.

https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifying-offer-calculator/jesse-puljujarvi
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Apr. 16, 2019 at 11:17 a.m.
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Yes I did, and if you think that Yamamoto, Benson and Puljujarvi are on the team next season, the Oilers are in worse shape than this year.

Also if Bear is a scratch, he is better playing in the AHL to get valuable playing time.

One last thing, Puljujarvi will get more than $850,000 as he needs at least a 10% increase over his $975,000 this year. So make his contract $1,020,000 just to qualify. You can pencil Puljujarvi in at $1,500,000 on a 2-way contract.


You need to learn how contracts work. I lowballed by 24K but his qualifying offer is $874k.
Apr. 16, 2019 at 11:20 a.m.
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Thanks, I forgot about the bonus that is not a factor.
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