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You keep posting that same Kapanen for greenway deal. It does not work. You will need to add like a 2nd or an early 3rd

Jun. 8, 2019 at 8:44 p.m.

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I want Fenton to ask for Casey Mittelstadt if Buffalo really has their eyes on Zucker.

Jun. 8, 2019 at 8:47 p.m.

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Quoting: CowSaysMoo

I want Fenton to ask for Casey Mittelstadt if Buffalo really has their eyes on Zucker.

And they’d be rejected. Your not getting Mittelstadt for a guy MINNESOTA is shopping.

Jun. 8, 2019 at 8:49 p.m.

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And they’d be rejected. Your not getting Mittelstadt for a guy MINNESOTA is shopping.

You’re*

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Jun. 8, 2019 at 8:50 p.m.

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You’re*

Correct

Jun. 8, 2019 at 8:54 p.m.

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Quoting: ChampionNorth2

Correct

That’s how negotiations work though. You ask for more than you know what you are giving up is worth. Botterill also said Sabres are looking for a 2C. Zucker and Eriksson Ek package?

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Jun. 8, 2019 at 8:58 p.m.

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Eh, age difference kinda makes NP for Spurgeon a mismatch.

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Jun. 8, 2019 at 9:09 p.m.

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That’s how negotiations work though. You ask for more than you know what you are giving up is worth. Botterill also said Sabres are looking for a 2C. Zucker and Eriksson Ek package?

Not for Mittelstadt tho cmon. Mittelstadt is a C which is trading from need. Trade for a prospects or something in their surplus.

Jun. 8, 2019 at 9:38 p.m.

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Eh, age difference kinda makes NP for Spurgeon a mismatch.

That was one that I thought needed some work. I think Eriksson Ek being included in that deal makes a lot of sense (gives Philly their 3C) and maybe Philly adds another lesser piece. It needs work, but that was the basis at least.

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Jun. 8, 2019 at 9:39 p.m.

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I want Fenton to ask for Casey Mittelstadt if Buffalo really has their eyes on Zucker.

I'd love him but I doubt Buffalo trades him.

Jun. 8, 2019 at 9:40 p.m.

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I'd love him but I doubt Buffalo trades him.

Always start your negotiations high! Can’t have another Nino for Rask!

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Jun. 8, 2019 at 9:42 p.m.

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You keep posting that same Kapanen for greenway deal. It does not work. You will need to add like a 2nd or an early 3rd

Greenway scored 12 goals in his rookie season playing 3rd line minutes. Kapanen scored 8 more playing second line minutes with one of the best young centers in the game. Greenway is still on his ELC which also adds a lot of value. I don't see why the Wild have to add a pick at all.

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Jun. 8, 2019 at 9:42 p.m.

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Always start your negotiations high! Can’t have another Nino for Rask!

True but I just think he's one of their "untouchable" pieces.

Jun. 8, 2019 at 11:46 p.m.

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News flash. Kapanen player 3rd line since nylander cane back. So for only 20 games he was top 6.

Jun. 9, 2019 at 9:13 a.m.

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You keep posting that same Kapanen for greenway deal. It does not work. You will need to add like a 2nd or an early 3rd

I completely disagree! This is about as fair and even of a true hockey trade as there is...and one that both teams win with.

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Jun. 9, 2019 at 9:17 a.m.

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News flash. Kapanen player 3rd line since nylander cane back. So for only 20 games he was top 6.

You need to be educated on Greenway’s current game...and more so, his amazing and untapped potential. IMHO, his ceiling is considerably higher than Kapanen’s.

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Jun. 9, 2019 at 10:17 a.m.

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News flash. Kapanen player 3rd line since nylander cane back. So for only 20 games he was top 6.

News flash. Kapanen averaged 16:37 minutes per night (which is second line minutes) and Greenway averaged 13:38 minutes per night (which is 3rd line minutes). You should really check your facts before you reply to people...

Edit: additionally, I counted 45 full games with Austin Matthews and about 4 total games with Tavares in this chart with tons of games played on Matthew's wing prior to Nylander's return.

Jun. 9, 2019 at 10:21 a.m.

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Check how much of that was special teams (on a second pp that’s didn’t score) and the pk

Jun. 9, 2019 at 10:27 a.m.

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Check how much of that was special teams (on a second pp that’s didn’t score) and the pk

He played 61 minutes on the PP... Greenway played 53. Why does that matter? My point still stands that Kapanen played a lot more than Greenway and playing time means you're going to have more opportunities to score.

Jun. 9, 2019 at 11:41 a.m.

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Quoting: CowSaysMoo

I want Fenton to ask for Casey Mittelstadt if Buffalo really has their eyes on Zucker.

I do not understand, Mittelstadt for Zucker? Or Ristolainen and Mittelstadt for Zucker?

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And they’d be rejected. Your not getting Mittelstadt for a guy MINNESOTA is shopping.

Well it depends on the trade, see above.

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That’s how negotiations work though. You ask for more than you know what you are giving up is worth. Botterill also said Sabres are looking for a 2C. Zucker and Eriksson Ek package?

As I said, it depends.

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I'd love him but I doubt Buffalo trades him.

IMO everyone is on the table, after all this team was one of the worse teams in the NHL who is so valuable that he cannot be traded.

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Jun. 9, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.

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I do not understand, Mittelstadt for Zucker? Or Ristolainen and Mittelstadt for Zucker?

Well it depends on the trade, see above.

As I said, it depends.

IMO everyone is on the table, after all this team was one of the worse teams in the NHL who is so valuable that he cannot be traded.

How about this trade:
New York Rangers

- Marco Scandella
- Vladimir Sobotka
- F Linus Weissbach
- 2020 4th.
Buffalo obviously getting Shattenkirk

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Jun. 9, 2019 at 4:53 p.m.

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Bottom line is that kapanen is much more proven and that you would need to add slightly, not as much as I said before (I thought greenway was top 6), but moving down from a 2nd to 3rd round pick. Kapanen frankly has proven himself way more and the difference in value between a 40 pt winger and a 30 pt one is quite large. I would say a trade down a round would make that up.

Jun. 9, 2019 at 4:57 p.m.

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Not total, per game. And I said pk as well. It matters because teams like Toronto draw a lot of penalties per game and are also penalized a lot. In comparison to more veteran teams like Minnesota of course. I didn’t stay check that but from how much I have watched minny, they don’t seen a lot of time on special teams. Toronto does. That should make up at least half of the extra ice time kapanen gets.

He is also one of Toronto’s top penalty killers to my knowledge

Jun. 10, 2019 at 7:46 a.m.

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I’d take the first two. Patrick could also play RW if Koivu is back

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