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What to do

Created by: dzad96
Initial Creation Date: Jun 12, 2019
Published: Jun 12, 2019 at 10:57 am
Team: 2019-20 Vegas Golden Knights
Team Explanation
Probably the most interesting cap situation in the league right now is Vegas.

So basically after Clarkson is put on LTIR we are left with:
1) 5.1 million in cap space
2) no "extra players" (4 lines, 6 d, no spares)
3) 2018-2019 Players currently unsigned such as: Carpenter (68 GP), Pirri (32 GP), Bellemare (82 GP), Engelland (81 GP), Karlsson (89 GP), Nosek (17 GP), Subban (21 GP).

Assumptions...
1) They're going to want to bring back all of those guys.
2) Pirri will likely leave, will not have room for at least one other guy on that list above, possibly two. Assuming Bellemare walks since he can likely get 2+ somewhere else (guys get overpaid in Free Agency all the time).
3) They get a decent deal with Karlsson.

So essentially Vegas needs to clear up somewhere around 5 million in cap space this off-season through trades, buyouts, etc.
You could make the argument it is slightly less if they don't sign some of the guys I did, but they need to sign other guys if they don't. Likely same cost.

Clearing Cap
1) Everyone seems to think Miller is the guy to go, seems to make sense but I'm going to try something different.
2) Going to try move players who are overpaid for their roles. This includes: Reaves (2.8 for a 4th line guys is bad), Holden (should be able to find a cheaper equivalent option for the third pair (like Engelland).

Explanations.
1) Karlsson at 6.75 over 8 years seems like a fair deal both ways to me. He is their top Center, 26 years old, right before Free Agency, the 8 year term makes it a bit cheaper. Would be closer to 7.5 maybe even 8 if the years were less, IMO. -1.6 in cap space after Karlsson signing.
2) Need a backup goalie, keeping Subban seems obvious, -2.75 after this signing.
3) Depth signings of RFA's Lindberg and Nosek. and UFA's Engelland and Carpenter - 6.6 in cap space after these two signings. But with 5 scratches. so 2 players need to be sent to minors. -5.1 in cap space after doing this.
4) After Holden and Reaves trades, -0.1 in cap space, one scratch.
5) Need to make one more trade, trade a guy who makes roughly 3-4 million for a cheaper replacement, maybe even two players who combined make less money. In this case Haula seems to make sense.

1.0 in cap space after moves, two scratches. Likely one more trade for some depth necessary.

In summary, Vegas' cap situation not nearly as bad as people (including myself) seem to generally think on here.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Karlsson, William8$6,750,000
Subban, Malcolm2$1,100,000
Lindberg, Tobias1$850,000
Nosek, Tomas1$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Carpenter, Ryan1$900,000
Engelland, Deryk1$1,200,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Cheap, Guy1$800,000
Cheap, Guy1$800,000
Trades
VGK
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Holden, Nick
Additional Details:
Could be any team.
VGK
  1. 2019 7th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Reaves, Ryan
Additional Details:
COL has cap space, could be anyone tho.
VGK
  1. 2021 7th round pick (ANA)
any team. for two 4th line guys, or one 4th liner and a 7th d
ANA
  1. Haula, Erik
Additional Details:
need two or three depth players for Haula. just created them. Not sure where he goes or for who.
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tomas Tatar: $500,000 (9%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
VGK
VGK
VGK
NSH
WPG
TOR
VGK
VGK
MIN
MTL
COL
2020
VGK
VGK
PIT
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
2021
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
ANA
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,000,000$81,975,000$0$800,000$1,025,000
Left WingCenterRight Wing
VGK
Pacioretty, Max
$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 4
VGK
Stastny, Paul
$6,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
VGK
Stone, Mark
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 8
VGK
Marchessault, Jonathan
$5,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
VGK
Karlsson, William
$6,750,000
C
UFA - 8
VGK
Smith, Reilly
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
VGK
McKenzie, Curtis
$750,000
LW
UFA - 1
VGK
Eakin, Cody
$3,850,000
C
UFA - 1
VGK
Tuch, Alex
$4,750,000
RW
UFA - 7
VGK
Carrier, William
$725,000
LW
RFA - 1
VGK
Carpenter, Ryan
$900,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
VGK
Nosek, Tomas
$950,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
VGK
Theodore, Shea
$5,200,000
LD
UFA - 6
VGK
Schmidt, Nate
$5,950,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 6
VGK
Fleury, Marc-André
$7,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
VGK
McNabb, Brayden
$2,500,000
LD
UFA - 3
VGK
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
VGK
Subban, Malcolm
$1,100,000
G
RFA - 1
VGK
Merrill, Jon
$1,375,000
LD
UFA - 1
VGK
Engelland, Deryk
$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Cheap, Guy
$800,000
VGK
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
Cheap, Guy
$800,000

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Jun 12, 2019 at 11:00
#1
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Some curious moves here...Schaller and Leivo on the 4th line making over 3m? Engelland and Merrill as a pairing? Miller stays? Not one rookie makes a team up against the cap?

What did you do with Gusev? Did you make him 'disappear'? Vegas has a much worse team here than they started with.
Jun 12, 2019 at 11:03
#2
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Mitch Marner's Dad
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Edited Jun 12, 2019 at 11:09
Quoting: MGK
Some curious moves here...Schaller and Leivo on the 4th line making over 3m? Engelland and Merrill as a pairing? Miller stays?

What did you do with Gusev? Did you make him 'disappear'? Vegas has a much worse team here than they started with.


Schaller and Leivo at 3 is better than Reaves at 2.75... no? 2 players for the price of one basically.

Will admit, no idea who Gusev is and he hardly played last year so I didn't bother signing him.

I made some changes tho.
Jun 12, 2019 at 11:03
#3
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I think moving guys like holden and reeves are a must but I think to make more rrom for Gusev VGK should move Smith. You could get a good return for him and you have the RW depth to replace him with Tuch
Jun 12, 2019 at 11:05
#4
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I gotta think Karlsson gets more (Other teams would give him a dumb contract), but maybe the dip in production this year gets him for that. Wishful thinking.
Jun 12, 2019 at 11:09
#5
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Quoting: Smithcd995
I gotta think Karlsson gets more (Other teams would give him a dumb contract), but maybe the dip in production this year gets him for that. Wishful thinking.


My thinking on Karlsson is he's a 25 goal scorer, 60-65 point guy for the foreseeable future. He had a one hit wonder of a season. I think teams might be warry to offer him too much money for one good season.
Jun 12, 2019 at 11:23
#6
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Quoting: dzad96


Will admit, no idea who Gusev is and he hardly played last year so I didn't bother signing him.



He led the KHL in points last year, was voted the best forward at the 2018 Olympics and is still one of the biggest question marks on the roster as he hasn't played a game in the NHL. The general consensus is that he takes in around $3 mil on this contract.
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Jun 12, 2019 at 11:23
#7
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Quoting: dzad96
Schaller and Leivo at 3 is better than Reaves at 2.75... no? 2 players for the price of one basically.

Will admit, no idea who Gusev is and he hardly played last year so I didn't bother signing him.

I made some changes tho.


They got Gusev's rights from Tampa in the expansion draft and signed him during the playoffs once his KHL season was over, Idk what numbers he put up in the playoffs, can't even remember if he played or not but I'd like to give him a chance to prove himself. Assuming he translates his game well from KHL to NHL, he is a top 6 winger, maybe even better. He tore up the KHL (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=133881)

So with regards to your exercise, I would think Vegas wants to bring him back, putting more strain on the cap situation
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Jun 14, 2019 at 12:47
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future lamentation
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I am a Sabres fan, but that seems to be a low ball price for Haula, what do you all think.
If that is the asking price, I would offer two good possession 4th line players, Girgensons and Larsson for Haula. I am asking this because I am responding to the trade above.
Please give me some feedback.

Quoting: MGK
Some curious moves here...Schaller and Leivo on the 4th line making over 3m? Engelland and Merrill as a pairing? Miller stays? Not one rookie makes a team up against the cap?

What did you do with Gusev? Did you make him 'disappear'? Vegas has a much worse team here than they started with.


Quoting: dzad96
Schaller and Leivo at 3 is better than Reaves at 2.75... no? 2 players for the price of one basically.

Will admit, no idea who Gusev is and he hardly played last year so I didn't bother signing him.

I made some changes tho.


Quoting: wardbell92
I think moving guys like holden and reeves are a must but I think to make more rrom for Gusev VGK should move Smith. You could get a good return for him and you have the RW depth to replace him with Tuch


Quoting: Smithcd995
I gotta think Karlsson gets more (Other teams would give him a dumb contract), but maybe the dip in production this year gets him for that. Wishful thinking.


Quoting: dzad96
My thinking on Karlsson is he's a 25 goal scorer, 60-65 point guy for the foreseeable future. He had a one hit wonder of a season. I think teams might be warry to offer him too much money for one good season.


Quoting: Survivorking77
They got Gusev's rights from Tampa in the expansion draft and signed him during the playoffs once his KHL season was over, Idk what numbers he put up in the playoffs, can't even remember if he played or not but I'd like to give him a chance to prove himself. Assuming he translates his game well from KHL to NHL, he is a top 6 winger, maybe even better. He tore up the KHL (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=133881)

So with regards to your exercise, I would think Vegas wants to bring him back, putting more strain on the cap situation
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Jun 14, 2019 at 1:12
#9
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Quoting: GMTD
I am a Sabres fan, but that seems to be a low ball price for Haula, what do you all think.
If that is the asking price, I would offer two good possession 4th line players, Girgensons and Larsson for Haula. I am asking this because I am responding to the trade above.
Please give me some feedback.


I mean sure id do that. You're getting him for nothing. 4th line guys are replaceable for under 2 mill in FA. Having said that, no way does VGK give him away for nothing like that. Someone will give them something of value for sure.
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Jun 14, 2019 at 1:15
#10
future lamentation
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Quoting: Smithcd995
I mean sure id do that. You're getting him for nothing. 4th line guys are replaceable for under 2 mill in FA. Having said that, no way does VGK give him away for nothing like that. Someone will give them something of value for sure.


I agree, but that is what dzad96 said he wanted. but that is why I asked what other people had to say.
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Jun 14, 2019 at 2:46
#11
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Quoting: GMTD
I agree, but that is what dzad96 said he wanted. but that is why I asked what other people had to say.


In all honestly, I'd give them more than what he's asking.
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Jun 14, 2019 at 2:54
#12
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Quoting: Smithcd995
In all honestly, I'd give them more than what he's asking.


I agree, and I said that was not enough.
Miller and Haula, STL 2019 first, Nelson and Larsson. What else do I need to add to this? Nelson and Larsson are inexpensive replacements for Miller and Haula, would a 2020 2nd close the deal?
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Jun 14, 2019 at 2:57
#13
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Quoting: GMTD
I agree, and I said that was not enough.
Miller and Haula, STL 2019 first, Nelson and Larsson. What else do I need to add to this? Nelson and Larsson are inexpensive replacements for Miller and Haula, would a 2020 2nd close the deal?


Honestly, that's probably fair as is. I wouldn't give much more. If they want more I walk away.
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Jun 28, 2019 at 10:17
#14
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Quoting: GMTD
I am a Sabres fan, but that seems to be a low ball price for Haula, what do you all think.
If that is the asking price, I would offer two good possession 4th line players, Girgensons and Larsson for Haula. I am asking this because I am responding to the trade above.
Please give me some feedback.


Quoting: Smithcd995
I mean sure id do that. You're getting him for nothing. 4th line guys are replaceable for under 2 mill in FA. Having said that, no way does VGK give him away for nothing like that. Someone will give them something of value for sure.


Haula got traded for an AHL'er and a conditional 5th round pick. So...
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Jun 28, 2019 at 1:52
#15
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Quoting: dzad96
Haula got traded for an AHL'er and a conditional 5th round pick. So...


I couldn't believe it lol
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