I was hoping to be able to read a lengthy description about why you think this but nope. what do you mean by aggressively? regardless, it just comes down to marners number, and i doubt he takes 10M at 6 years. the most likely scenario is 9 at around 3 years or less, or they get him for somewhere above 10.5-11.5 depending on if he receives OS. word is he will only do a short term length if its an OS but teams dont want to deal with this same situation that soon from now, nor do they want to give up large amount of picks for a short deal. leafs do have some flexibility in that they can run a shorter roster than 23 in case his number is higher than they want. people just like to make fun of the leafs because its the market that doesnt shut up about stuff and likes poking fun at the cap crunch that the leafs and their teams will succumb to at some point.

Here's the description:

- This roster has 22 players and $284,000 in cap-space (a full NHL roster usually has 23 players).
- With that said, a team can carry as few as 20 players (which would add $1,500,000 if two 750K players are removed).
- Hyman will also be starting the season on LTIR (which would add $1,4750,000 in October if he's replaced with Petan).
- During the summer, teams can exceed the salary-cap by 10% (which adds another $8,150,000 in cap-space until October).
- LTIR contracts stay on the cap during the summer though (so that $8,150,000 is really only $2,850,000 because of Horton).

In conclusion, the Leafs could sign Marner to a $14,635,000 cap-hit right now ... but they'd have to shed around $2,000,000 before Hyman comes back from his injury.

But if they sign Marner to anything reasonable, they won't have to do anything.

To answer your question....either misinformed or just Leafs haters. For some reason, some think Horton is 5.3m cap detriment to the Leafs. Nope can't sign Marner because that would put the Leafs over the cap by 1m in July. Seems only the Leafs have to cap compliant in July, not October like other teams
Marner is the only RFA that is going to be paid big money. But for some reason according to some Marner has to get the same salary as Matthews or else he won't sign. Gee if no one if offering Marner 11m, why should the Leafs offer more? Is Marner really going sit out the season because he wants let's say 1m more than Leafs final offer?

I was hoping to be able to read a lengthy description about why you think this but nope. what do you mean by aggressively? regardless, it just comes down to marners number, and i doubt he takes 10M at 6 years. the most likely scenario is 9 at around 3 years or less, or they get him for somewhere above 10.5-11.5 depending on if he receives OS. word is he will only do a short term length if its an OS but teams dont want to deal with this same situation that soon from now, nor do they want to give up large amount of picks for a short deal. leafs do have some flexibility in that they can run a shorter roster than 23 in case his number is higher than they want. people just like to make fun of the leafs because its the market that doesnt shut up about stuff and likes poking fun at the cap crunch that the leafs and their teams will succumb to at some point.

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- This roster has 22 players and $284,000 in cap-space (a full roster will usually have 23 players though).
- With that said, a team can carry as few as 20 players if necessary (which would add $1,500,000 as a last resort).
- Hyman will also be starting the season on LTIR (which would add $1,4750,000 if he's replaced with Petan).
- During the summer, teams can exceed the salary-cap by 10% (which adds another $8,150,000 until October).

Here's the description:

- This roster has 22 players and $284,000 in cap-space (a full NHL roster usually has 23 players).
- With that said, a team can carry as few as 20 players (which would add $1,500,000 if two 750K players are removed).
- Hyman will also be starting the season on LTIR (which would add $1,4750,000 in October if he's replaced with Petan).
- During the summer, teams can exceed the salary-cap by 10% (which adds another $8,150,000 in cap-space until October).
- LTIR contracts stay on the cap during the summer though (so that $8,150,000 is really only $2,850,000 because of Horton).

In conclusion, the Leafs could sign Marner to a $14,635,000 cap-hit right now ... but they'd have to shed around $2,000,000 before Hyman comes back from his injury.

But if they sign Marner to anything reasonable, they won't have to do anything.

because he denied an 8x11

This coming from a team with no current player making over $6m/yr (CBJ). It has been extremely difficult for teams with 2 superstars to succeed. Chicago with Toews/Kane, Washington with Ovi/Backstrom, Pittsburgh with Crosby/Malkin, Edmonton with McDavid/Draisatl, and now Toronto with Matthews/Tavares. Honestly Marner knows this, and he has kept this in mi d. Being a younger player (Panarin came into the league at 23/24?.
Now Toronto wants 3 $10m+ players? And to compete. They will be very hard-presses to achieve this. I would rather have a ream of $5m+ players than 3 $10-12m+ players. Good luck.

No one thinks the Horton contract is bad but if Marner gets offer sheeted or holds out for 12 the leafs are in trouble.

No one thinks the Horton contract is bad but if Marner gets offer sheeted or holds out for 12 the leafs are in trouble.

Interesting story .... tell me more?

Is he demanding $13,500,000? ... I think that's the number Paul Dreger was using right?

How so?

You can't just say "in trouble" without following that up with a description ...

Sorry, there are so many on this site that think the Leafs are cap screwed because Horton and LTIR. And no the Leaf are not in trouble if some team offers 12m, it would just force the Leafs to make a decision whether to accept or decline a SIGNED offer sheet. They would be in cap trouble if they matched, but so what the other team by next year also. Let's can not match, get 4 first rounders and spend the 10m they have allotted for Marner on other player(s). Maybe not this year but soon. So if Marner get 12m,,,,does the superior Point gets offered 14m....Or Rantanen 11m. And what about Laine, Connor, Tzachuk and McAvoy. Really think GMs want to overpay for other teams RFAs when they have their own to sign or soon will have own RFAs to sign?

Yeah I doubt GMs think that far. A team with space like NYI could do it. Losing their third best player would be a big issue for the leafs, they might be better in 5 years but there’s no one they can replace him with and those picks won’t pan out for a while.

This coming from a team with no current player making over $6m/yr (CBJ). It has been extremely difficult for teams with 2 superstars to succeed. Chicago with Toews/Kane, Washington with Ovi/Backstrom, Pittsburgh with Crosby/Malkin, Edmonton with McDavid/Draisatl, and now Toronto with Matthews/Tavares. Honestly Marner knows this, and he has kept this in mind. Being a younger player (Panarin came into the league at 23/24?. Marner wants to be top dog and paid for his contribution.
Now Toronto wants 3 $10m+ players? And to compete. They will be very hard-presses to achieve this. I would rather have a ream of $5m+ players than 3 $10-12m+ players. Good luck.

This coming from a team with no current player making over $6m/yr (CBJ)...It has been extremely difficult for teams with 2 superstars to succeed. Chicago with Toews/Kane, Washington with Ovi/Backstrom, Pittsburgh with Crosby/Malkin, Edmonton with McDavid/Draisatl, and now Toronto with Matthews/Tavares. Honestly Marner knows this, and he has kept this in mind. Being a younger player (Panarin came into the league at 23/24?. Marner wants to be top dog and paid for his contribution. He doesn’t want to take a discount for 2-3 years because Toronto signed Tavares last year. Marner is a winger, but like Panarin, plays like a center with his vision and ability to make those around him better (score) by assists stat. Very similar to Panarin this past year. Marner numbers were very comparable, and he should be paid $11.5m or $12m per year.
Now Toronto wants 3 $10m+ players? They will be very hard-presses to achieve this. I personally would rather have a team with a star or two but have more solid fill in players at $4m-$5m. Either way (whether Marner takes a discount, Toronto trades him, or he gets offer sheeted, it is a good problem to have). I just think his mindset is if he is performing like Panarin, he should get paid like Panarin. There is nothing wrong with that.

True the picks don't pan out for a while. But the 10m that was set aside for Marner by the Leaf can be spend almost immediately and certainly next summer. And even the Islanders might have cap issues with an 11.5m Marner. Isles have their own RFAs to sign next summer including Pulock and Barzel who might be expensive.

because he denied an 8x11

Who are they getting to replace him? Cap space is great but they haven’t won a playoff series in 15 years, can’t keep waiting and building for the future.

"It has been extremely difficult for teams with 2 superstars to succeed".

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You then go on to list Chicago, Pittsburgh and Washington as the teams finding it "extremely difficult to succeed" with two superstars.

Those three teams have won 6 (SIX!) of the last 10 Stanley Cups ... is that your idea of extremly difficult to succeed?

And Edmonton would have won cups too if they didn't trade:

- Hall's $6,000,000 for Lucic's $6,000,000
- Schultz's $5,500,000 for Sekera's $5,500,000
- Barzals $925,000 for Reinhart's $925,000
- Petry's $5,500,000 for Russell's $4,000,000

Their failure has everything to do with hockey trades and nothing to do cap-constraints.

McDavid
Draisaitl
Barzal
Hall
Nuge
Chiasson

Klefbom
Schultz
Nurse
Petry

Would have cost about the same as their current roster for the past two seasons ... and next season.

bro chicago, caps, and pens have all won cups. if the oilers had competent management, im sure theyd be on track to being at least somewhat close. "extremely difficult" is a poor term to use when 3/4 of the teams have won cups, one of them back to back. come on man use your brain!