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Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:44 pm
Thread: Nylander
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:42 pm
Thread: Nylander
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:42 pm
Thread: Nylander
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:33 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:43 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>Lmao i love how you trade for three guys who are 99% untouchable to their teams</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Amplifys</b></div><div>thinking he can snag marino after hes been a revelation :squinty</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafboy101</b></div><div>Manson is 29 and Anaheim is not making playoffs, he’s expendable easy that trade would go through, Montour he might be close to untouchable but he certainly isn’t, Buffalo need depth scoring cause they ain’t got none also Hollowell is actually quite underrated he’s a stay at home guy with some offensive capability not with much but still has potential there, that trade might not be enough but it’s a starting point. The Pittsburgh trade is questionable I know, if leafs add maybe a 3rd it might go through but so far it’s a good start to the trade, their problem is like buffalos they don’t have depth scoring on third and fourth lines since Galchenyuk didn’t pan out, gives them what they need and leafs get what they need a BACKUP GOALIE!</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafboy101</b></div><div>Does it look better now?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>They don't at all need depth scoring, Kahun McCann ZAR Simon Bjugstad Blandisi Lafferty... and all I'm going to say about Manson is that the ducks are A. not out of it this year, the west is very weak, and all they need is for Gibson to play like he has in past seasons, B. even if they don't make it this year, the majority of their team are young kids, they'll get better next year and the year after etc, while Manson will still be in his prime so to speak, plus they'll have Zegras coming up, and whoever they pick this year, C. they don't have a single top 4 RH d man aside from him, and i don't think they're really trying to tank, so why trade away their best and only good RHD, and D. they don't really even have that many RHD in the system...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>:laugh You honestly think you're getting Josh Manson for that garbage?At least Nylander would need to go to Anaheim in a deal for Manson.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>Manson is so overrated. He had one great season 2 years ago and has been nothing special since. Fowler and Lindholm are the good defenceman that Anaheim has and Manson is just a solid counter part. He's 29 and good but he is no all-star. Keep Liljegren, he's going to be terrific, he's going to cost less than a million for 3 years and will be a mainstay in the years to come. Stop over thinking things and living in the past.b</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>One year of Manson and Montour and minor league goalie Smith for Kapanen, Hyman, Liljegren and first and second rounder. Wow the Leaf lose big time.
Too think Bracco is an NHLer especially on the first line....that's fantasy.
Leafs will quite happy having Kapanen, Hyman, Liljegren who will be good with term and keeping those two picks. A back up goalie...yep Leafs and me are prepared to trade, even overpay for one.
Sabres would want more for Montour. But one year of Manson the Leaf aren't trading Liljegren for him, and you want to add more. And a back up goalie doesn't cost you Kapanen.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMTD</b></div><div><a href="/users/AFOX10900" target="_blank">@AFOX10900</a>
I cannot speak for the other trades but Betterall certainly fleeced Murray. IMO it would take more to get Montour. Has any one watched how well Bogosian is playing, I think he will be traded at the TDL for less than a first, but more than a 4th.
<a href="/users/Amplifys" target="_blank">@Amplifys</a>
I am including you because you made a comment to this post
<a href="/users/Leafboy101" target="_blank">@Leafboy101</a>
I agree that Buffalo needs secondary scoring but since the Leafs have only 3 more goals than Buffalo so far this year, I do not think this offer is sufficient and TML need secondary scoring as well. Read below.
<a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a>
I agree, with your comment about Montour. He may be the Sabres best defenseman (yes including Dahlin, BTW the Sabres are 4-1-3 since Dahlin suffered a concussion). I have no idea how the Sabres were able to get him for only Guhle and a first. I guess Murray was reading the Buffalo News writers reports on Ghule.</div></div>

<strong>Manson</strong> - Given his severe decline recently ... the Ducks would be very lucky to get a stud prospect like Liljegren for him straight up <strong>(Leafs say no obviously)</strong>

<strong>Montour</strong> - Every Buffalo fan now realizes that they massively overpayed by giving up a 1st + Guhle ... Hyman alone has more value <strong>(Leafs say no obviously)</strong>

<strong>DeSmith </strong> - The Leafs are gonna trade a 20 goal / 50 point 22 year old for a 28 year old backup goalie currently playing in the AHL? <strong>(Leafs say no obviously)</strong>

<strong>The only thing more embarrassing than these trades is the unbridled vitriol coming from the incredibly salty Leaf haters in these comments.

Come on guys ... you're better than that ... SMH. </strong>
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:26 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Maybe Berdin would be the better target...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_fan13</b></div><div>Berdin?</div></div>

Just to confirm so that everyone is aware ...

<strong>Josh Anderson:</strong>

- Has <strong>4 points</strong> (1 goal) in 24 games this season
- That's a 13 point (3 goal) pace in a full season
- Has the second worst plus/minus on his team
- The season is nearly half over (this isn't an aberration)
- Is a year older than Johnsson (was drafted a year prior)
- Has a worse point per game career average than Johnsson
- Has a worse goal per game career average than Johnsson
- Is an RFA this year (after already taking a cheap 3-Yr bridge)
- Is right handed W (so is Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, Hyman)
- Is not playing like his typical power forward self this year

<strong>How does Anderson cost Johnsson + 4th round pick + 6th round pick?</strong>

- Johnsson has more potential (has only played 1 season while Anderson's played 5)
- Johnsson had a higher PPG in his rookie season than Anderson's has ever had.
- Johnsson is currently on pace to beat Anderson's career best PPG again.
- Johnsson is locked-in for 4 years at a pretty good cap hit vs production.
- Johnsson will likely have a lower cap-hit than Anderson next year.

Why are the Leafs adding?

<strong>Laurent Brossoit:</strong>

- Has an <strong>0.892 SV%</strong> after 9 games this season (similar to Hutchinson)
- Has a cap-hit that's roughly double Hutchinson (do we have space?)
- Has cleared waivers multiple times since 2018-19
- Is a UFA at the end of the season (likely a rental)

<strong>If Hutch has no value ... why does Brossoit cost a 3rd round pick + 2nd round prospect?</strong>
He shouldn't cost any more than a 4th round pick (similar to what Hutchinson cost).
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 10:20 am
Thread: Nylander
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>WHAT????</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Every team rejects</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>Yeah this trade does not happen at all. No way does Toronto give up both Kapanen and Nylander in a trade nor do the Blues give up their best defenseman.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Gosh, there's a whole lot of not from the Blues, and OTT won't make that deal. I'd be okay with the SJ and DET trades, the rest is a no.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Makes no sense for the Leafs to give up so much to acquire Pietrangelo. Leafs would 10 times better off, signing him as UFA next summer (if they want to) and then to get cap space they trade Nylander for assets. Besides, Pietrangelo isn't waiving his NTC this season. He's captain on the Cup champs with his team as good as any in the West. Can't be said about the Leafs this season.
Ottawa says no. San Jose might need a goalie but they cap space too...money has be returned to the Blues.
By these trades it would appear the Blues have given up for season. Why?</div></div>

So just to get this trade straight ...

<strong>ST. LOUIS GETS:</strong>

<strong>Nylander</strong> x 5 years (23 year old C/W that's on pace for 60 points and 20 goals for the 3rd time)
<strong>Kapanen</strong> x 3 years (23 year old RW that's on pace for 50 points and 20 goals for the 2nd time)
<strong>1ST</strong> (Why not throw in a potential lottery pick on top of an already massive overpay?)

<strong>TORONTO GETS:</strong>

<strong>Pietrangelo</strong> x 1 year (30 year old rental who's about to demand $9,000,000 until he's 38)
<strong>Sanford</strong> x 2 years (25 year old 4th line LW with a career high of 20 points / 8 goals)
<strong>Blais</strong> x 1 year (23 year old 4th line RW with a total of 18 points in 80 career games).
<strong>3RD</strong> (Thank you for your consideration)

How about we try something a little fairer?

<strong>NEW PROPOSAL:</strong>

<strong>Pietrangelo</strong> x 1 year
<strong>Sanford</strong> x 2 years
<strong>Blais</strong> x 1 year


<strong>Kapanen</strong> x 3 years (I'd take Kapanen's upside (30 GLS / 60 PTS) for 3 years at $3,200,000 (with RFA expiry) over a rental RD)
<strong>Gauthier</strong> x 1 year (Similar to Sanford (and plays Center) with RFA expiry)
<strong>Aberg</strong> x 1 year (Similar to Blais (better production) with RFA expiry)
<strong>Ceci</strong> x 1 year (RD roster replacement + cap space equalizer)

What do you think OP?
Forum: NHL TradesNov 25 at 4:11
Forum: Armchair-GMNov 25 at 1:48
Forum: Armchair-GMNov 25 at 1:32
Forum: Armchair-GMNov 25 at 12:47
Forum: Armchair-GMNov 25 at 11:48
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brigid1011</b></div><div>What’s the point in these threads. What is actually contributed by posting this? It just gives people more negative views of the fan base.</div></div>

I suppose I'll answer your question with different questions:

1) <strong>What's the point of making any Armchair GM team at all?</strong> (Do you think Kyle Dubas will take notice and get it done for you?)
2) <strong>What's actually contributed by better Armchair GM teams?</strong> (Do you think two fan bases have ever 100% agreed on a proposal?)
3) <strong>What's the point in worrying about what others think of you?</strong> (Do you think people's negative feelings are actually due to dumb fans?)
4) <strong>What's the issue with making a team that's clearly impossible?</strong> (Do you worry someone will take it serious and start ripping their hair out?)

I can make the following statements with 100% certainty:

1) <strong>People dislike the Leafs because the media shoves them down everyone's throat, especially in Canada</strong> (imagine being stuck with TSN / SN as a Sens fan).
2) <strong>The excess attention creates a cognitive dissonance in everyone exposed to it</strong> (assuming they aren't Leafs fans and would prefer coverage of their own team).
3) <strong>This dissonance applies to the vast majority of non-Leaf fans you encounter online</strong> (if they patrol hockey sites / forums, they likely watch hockey related media).
4) <strong>It makes them inherently dislike / disagree with any Leaf fan discussions or positive fan content</strong> (some are conscious of their internal bias, but many are not).
5) <strong>The problem is amplified because there's more Leaf fans posting online than other fan bases</strong> (they can't attack the media, but they sure can attack online users).
6)<strong> End result = an army with the one mindset: all Leaf fans are dumb, Leaf players are over-hyped, Leaf content should be trolled</strong> (you can't change their mind).

So get used to it ... Leaf fans are equally as stupid as the rest ... but even their most reasonable opinions and proposals will be attacked by a majority of the community.

And that will never change by the slightest margin .. no matter how much you work to change peoples "views of the fan base".

<strong>But to answer your question ... "What’s the point in this thread?" ... I did it for fun my dude ... What are you here for? </strong>
Forum: Armchair-GMNov 25 at 10:11