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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div><a href="/users/drewjenks" target="_blank">@drewjenks</a> .........</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CrossFireX33</b></div><div>Math is hard</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SammyT_51</b></div><div>Most of the Leafs fans dont even count on re-signing Barrie next year.. he would not be a Leaf next year which is fine.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Tavares....</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>With Andersen and Rielly contracts coming up and Hyman being the only +1M contract coming off the books between then, signing Barrie (for his minimum 8M) would be the absolute stupidest thing Dubas could do. I would highly suggest someone like Shattenkirk next year who shouldn't cost more than 4.5M max (probably less) if you need another offensive defenseman.</div></div>

<strong>Question to BF3351 ... What are you trying to accomplish with your plan of:</strong>

1) Ignoring everything I said in our discussion (link to it below).
2) Then mis-quoting me and making an entire team with fake numbers.
3) Just to display that I'm "wrong" or don't know hockey / don't know math ???

I'm kinda interested in learning your mindset LOL ... but here are the actual numbers quoted from my comment <em>(the one you based this team off):</em>

<strong>QUOTE 1</strong> = <em>"Required Signings = 3 defensemen (Dermott = $2,000,000 / Muzzin = $5,000,000 / Barrie = $7,000,000)"</em>

If we make the honest adjustments:

- <strong>Dermott</strong> = $2,000,000 x 1/2 years <strong>(not $3,000,000 x 3)</strong> Dermott hasn't left the Leafs bottom pair (and he'll likely stay there this season).
- <strong>Muzzin</strong> = $5,000,000 x 6/7 years <strong>(not $5,500,000 x 4)</strong> Muzzin likely prefers an extra $8,000,000 - $13,000,000 over a slightly higher cap no?
- <strong>Barrie</strong> = $7,000,000 x 7/8 years <strong>(not $7,500,000 x 5)</strong> Barrie likely prefers an extra $12,000,000 - $18,000,000 over a slightly higher cap no?

Boom ... now we're only $350,000 over<strong> your </strong>salary cap (which is $1,000,000 less than the $84,000,000 cap that the NHL recently projected).
Their projections aren't always perfect (last years was off) but they're usually solid (and I assume that they want to avoid making the same mistake twice in a row).
<strong>End result = The above team now have $650,000 in cap-space ... and all you had to not intentionally mis-quote me.</strong>
However ... I'll add one more of my quotes ... just to ensure that <em>"my team"</em> is cap-compliant in any situation:

<strong>QUOTE 2</strong> = <em>"They really don't have to sign Barrie if he wants too much money. They could also trade Kappy + Hyman for help on defense or cap-space"</em>

The key points to pick up on are:

- Barrie doesn't have to be re-signed (depends on his price) and if he has a down year he may get less than expected (Gardiner's a good example of this).
- Kapanen + Hyman can be traded <strong>for help on defense</strong> (not just given away for nothing ... as in your above example for some reason).
- Packaging Kappy + Hyman (plus futures if needed) easily nets the Leafs a serviceable defensemen or two (to replace Barrie).
- Toronto is giving up two young(ish) forwards on team-friendly deals (so the defenders coming back should cost less than Barrie).
- The easiest option is to replace Barrie with a less expensive UFA (someone with less offense but solid defense ... which might improve the team).

<strong>If they let Barrie walk and replace him with a RD in the $3,000,000 - $5,000,000 range (via signing or trade) ... than your above team now has:

- $2,650,000 - $4,650,000 in excess cap-space
- A full 23 man roster with respectable defense:</strong>

Rielly - <strong>Acquired ($3,000,000 - $5,000,000 player)</strong>
Muzzin - Dermott
Sandin - Liljegren
Harpur - Holl
Gravel - Schmaltz

So yeah ... I'm surprised you took your response this far (without intending to being honest) ... but I got 10 minutes of entertainment so it's all good.
Link to our original conversation that you made this team from = <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/277740&amp;post_id=1121184">https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/277740&amp;post_id=1121184</a>
Forum: NHL SigningsFri at 2:49 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>I'm well aware of the Leafs situation. There's a couple things you are missing. It's almost like you just copied and pasted the Leafs on here, but it doesn't matter if you want to waste your time like that.

Two of the defensemen you just mention are rookies. One was just sent down to the minors and I belive the other is already in the minors right now(not sure) either way they aren't ready to be full time top 4 dmen. Another thing, with Tavares, Matthews at 11m Marner at 10.9, and Nylander at 7m, and a few others arpund 3-5m they aren't going to be able to fill there defensive holes. They MIGHT have cap space to resign Barrie, but that still leaves 2 empty spots in the top 4. Still have to fill 1 spot on thr 3rd pair.

My point being the forward group is intact and good, but there's no defense. So when that blueline is filled with AHLers you will know what I am talking about. I know all this is a lot to take in and almost like I'm speaking a different language to you, but it takes time. Learning hockey happens with time. Have a good day.</div></div>

<strong>When did I say Sandin + Liljegren need to be top 4 defensemen next year? </strong>

If they re-sign exactly who I said above (you didn't argue the numbers?) ... the Leafs end up with:

Muzzin - Barrie
Rielly - Dermott
Gravel - Holl
Sandin - Lilly

Literally everything you just said is meaningless ... LMAO ... Quoting 4 players salaries doesn't make a factual argument.

They can easily afford the above defense by losing Ceci ... and they can improve on it by trading Kapanen or Hyman.

BTW Sandin was only sent down so they don't burn a year of his ELC (and won't have to expose him to Seattle now).

We already have Reilly + Barrie to play both power-plays this year ... so why play him 12 mins a night when he could play 20 in the AHL.

Sandin's already better than Marincin + Gravel (both of them could be re-signed for cheap though).

Liljegren is probably better than them both too though.
Forum: NHL SigningsWed at 2:56 am
Forum: NHLOct 2 at 4:51
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buxvet</b></div><div>The trouble next year is even worse than one might expect
Which no one really seems to be talking about
What happens when the fake 11m in cap space disappears
With the expiration of the ltir from Horton + Clarkson because their contracts are up

With just 12 players signed for next year and a cap hit of 67.271
This only leaves 14.2M in cap space to sign 11 players
Even if your really bullish of the cap going up, lets say it jumps to 85M
That still only about 17.5M for 11 guys or about 1.6M per signing on avg

I just can't see how Nylander can stay</div></div>

<strong>"With just 12 players signed for next year and a cap hit of 67.271. This only leaves 14.2M in cap space to sign 11 players"</strong>

<strong>How about some context </strong>... he're are some other teams "12 most expensive contracts locked in for next year" ....

$75,374,999 = Tampa Bay Lightning
$69,617,855 = Winnipeg Jets
$67,722,857 = Philadelphia Flyers
$67,556,944 = Arizona Coyotes
$66,469,800 = New York Rangers
$65,663,333 = Vegas Golden Nights
$65,227,417 = San Jose Sharks

<strong>And most of these teams still have re-sign some key pieces.</strong>

<strong>As for the Leafs</strong>

After $2,000,000 - $4,000,000 in cap-growth .... the Leafs will have between $16,000,0000 - $19,000,000 to sign (or promote):

- 1 backup goalie ($800,000)
- 3 press-boxers ($2,100,000)
- 3 fourth liners ($2,400,000)
- Travis Dermott ($2,000,000 x 2)
- Jake Muzzin ($5,000,000 x 7)
- Tyson Barrie ($6,500,000 x 7)

<strong>TOTAL = $18,800,000</strong>

LOL this is not an issue at all ... they could trade Hyman is they have to ... or sign someone cheaper than Barrie.

Johnson - Matthews - Nylander
Kapanen - Tavares - Marner
T. Moore - Kerfoot - Hyman

Muzzin - Barrie
Rielly - Dermott
Sandin - Liljegren

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