I do not understand why you post this twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Montreal would be crazy too refused that

Not sure why Habs have to add Juulsen here. Its not like Dobson has done anything above and beyond Suzuki. Both guys are studs but equal studs.

Well it's interesting to see two different points of view. One says this deals is at the advantage of MTL and the other at the advantage of NYI. This makes me think this trade is pretty even.

Suzuki has been drafted 13th and Dobson 12th (even). Both were the best player of their team (even), and those two teams were very good (even. Suzuki was the OHL-playoffs-MVP with 42 points (3rd best amount since 2010, better than Tkachuk, Scheifele and DeBrincat), while Dobson put 29 points as a defenseman, and he is one year younger.

For that last part, everything depends on how they will develop. If Suzuki develops as a kind of Tatar/Drouin and Dobson as a kind of Pietrangelo, well Dobson is the best one. If Suzuki is more like O'Reilly/Scheifele and Dobson is more like Vlasic/Ristolainen, well Suzuki is the best one. No one can be sure. That's why, to convince NYI, I proposed to add Juulsen. It represents less risk for them and Juulsen is a little more NHL-ready. But I'd understand if Lamoriello declines that... It is just a really good offer.

They both project to be studs. Whatever they end up being heavily depends on development so it can go any way. Simply basing it on value right now though. Both guys are even in value and they'd be a 1 vs 1 IMO. Adding Juulsen would be like Habs adding Ho Sang to deal, just like that. Doesn't really make sense.

Not saying the trade makes sense for both teams in terms of needs and what not though. Habs don't really need another RHD right now. That may be the least needed position for them other than goaltending. Same thing goes for NYI. Do they really need another center/winger?

If Dobson was a lefty however......Habs would be all over that. That's their Achilles heel right now.

You also have to gauge team need. MTL really don't need to add another RD, and they do need someone like Suzuki in their roster (right shooting forward, either at Center or RW, who can play the PP). but I agree with F50marco, no need to add Juulsen here, but if something had to added, it definitely wouldn't someone of his caliber.

IMO, since Dobson is a project, it would be weird to consider MTL needs for this season. Of course LD is weak right now for MTL, but Mete, Kulak and Romanov are the future LD and it is ok. We can also add Struble and Norlinder. On RD, Weber and Petry are taking many minutes, but Weber's icetime should decrease of at least 1 minute/game by year to stay effective and I would prefer trading Petry while he still has value (this year of next). I don't think Brook or Fleury can become 1st pair defensemen, so Dobson would gradually take this place while Weber gradually slows down, and the evolution could look like this:

2019-20: Weber(23m) - Petry(22m) - Folin/Dobson(15m)
2020-21: Weber(22m) - Brook/Dobson(20m) - Brook/Dobson(18m)
2021-22: Dobson(21m) - Weber(21m) - Brook/Fleury(18m)

Also, NYI are weak at scoring, and this is something Suzuki could eventually help. IMO, throwing Juulsen also makes sense because NYI probably want RD to be too poor, and Juulsen still has top 4 potential. MTL doesn't really need Juulsen anymore if Dobson is a Habs.

Yeah that's true. I just feel the right side without Dobson is going to be fine. Other than Romanov, Habs left side isn't that strong. Mete is what he is. Kulak too. Romanov may not even be top pairing material either. Just a solid top 4. habs need that top pairing lefty more than a righty IMO. But yeah adding a righty wouldn't hurt that's for sure.

Yeah. Good arguments. It's just sad MTL always aims at average guys and not elite. I get the feeling we have two 2nd lines and two 3rd lines since 10 years. And while MTL had good elite D during this time in Subban, Markov and Weber, the future looks like a lot of top-4-but-not-top-2 defensemen in future-Weber, Mete, Romanov, Kulak and Brook. The past=strong D and weak O. The future=strong O and ok D.

They're getting there. This team is accruing a lot of talent. That usually means they'll be able to trade for elite talent or grow their own pretty soon.

Yeah. If MB is intelligent, it will be very interesting watching them progress through the years.

not letting go of Dobson, i like his upside 8x more than Suzuki's

Well, maybe you're right to think so, maybe not... As I said earlier, it all depends on their development. I mean, if Suzuki develops as a O'Reilly or Kessel and Juulsen as a Hamonic or Hjalmarsson, then Dobson has to become a NHL top 20 defenseman to make that deal even. We just don't know the future. Maybe Dobson will only develop as Ristolainen, and if that happens, this is a steal by NYI. But I respect and understand your preference.