There is no correlation there, that is a totally different scenario with players that are not comparable. Kapanen and Andersson are roughly the same age and are both very good players playing in similar roles. I might even argue that Kapanen’s track record and impact were much greater than Andersson’s.

Yes but apparently Nylander for Pesce was fair

I would never give up that for Mike Reilly.

Andersson put up 20 points playing 3rd pair minutes with other rookies (they were also promising d-men but still were rookies) and has played an entire NHL season, will play the first pair next year, and was used as our extra attacker and got PP time vs Kapanen who is a middle six winger that put up 40 points playing with Auston Matthews the whole year. Brannstrom has never played a season in the NHL and is only potential and has proven nothing. Andersson still hasn't reached his ceiling as well. (nor as Brannstrom to be fair though).

The key here is that some of these prospects won't be successful in the NHL. There's a big difference between Werenski who already played three seasons, or McAvoy, guys we know will stay in the NHL, and other guys who are still in the AHL or who only played NHL games against weaker opposition. Can't see a team giving good NHL assets for a player in the latter category, which has a much higher level of risk.

It's Morgan Rielly. You might have known that just making sure you weren't actually thinking of Mike Reilly

Yah, probably shouldn't have included McAvoy or Werenski. I just included all the really good young D I thought of looking at Button's list, past draft years, other prospects rankings, etc., most of them likely will succeed I think besides maybe 12 or 13 out of these 45 players

Kasperi Kapanen is a very good hockey player with room to become an even better one. Rasmus Andersson is also a good hockey player with a lot of potential. I just don’t see anything that’s special enough to make one of them a lot better than the other.

Andersson is an RD. Kapanen is a winger. Really good young D have a lot higher trade value than really good young forwards.

It's like Nylander for Pesce. Looks fair but Pesce is a d-man so his trade value is higher

In theory, sure. I still think Nylander for Pesce would be an outstanding trade for both sides though.

I just don’t get why you have established high end young d men on here when you’re talking about a trade for Kapanen

Wow. Super confused by this meaningless post.

This is very vague. What qualifies as a "young" Dman, If you are looking at prospects that have never played an NHL game, I would think that depends on how the teams grade the player out. Sometimes you are looking at a guy and saying he's a 2nd round draft grade, because that's about what you would get there and then that's the trade equivalent. If you are talking about a player with maybe a year or so game experience you are probably looking at roughly the same issue, but maybe comparing the limited experience they do have. You have POJ there and he's basically a 1st round pick, for the kessel trade. Instead of giving up a 1st they gave them a player selected first, who probably grades out as being equal to a 1st round pick, which frankly works better for both sides as the penguins don't want to wait 3 years for a player to develop in a win now mode. But that was his value there, the equivalent of asking for a 1st.
You can look at a player like Marcus Pettersson, and he went for Sprong. Both were pretty high rated 2nd round prospects with most likely equal grades. ANA rather have the winger for scoring and the penguins needed the defense. Sprong put up 14 goals in 47 games for ANA and Pettersson played well for the penguins so I'd say it was a pretty fair swap. Both teams were trading prospects with limited game experience and high talent. However, Pettersson isn't a 1st pairing defender, he was a 3rd pairing guy with potential to grow to a 2nd pairing player. Sprong is most likely a top 6 winger as he develops.

But if you are talking about players that are already established, Defense comes at a premium because it's so hard to find. Wingers don't hold that kind of value unless they are really good. 20 goal 40 point wingers aren't difficult to find there are a lot of them, but a solid 2nd pairing defender is. One of the reasons for that is teams aren't willing to move them like wingers.

I don't think Kapanen is worth Andersson. Andersson can end up being a very solid if not good 2nd pairing guy. Although it's a bit early to say he's established yet. He's worth more than a guy who is a 20 goal scorer on a loaded team. However he's got a year of play under his belt and he looked good.
I'd say a guy closer to being a 30 goal scorer and having potential to be a 1st line player and you might be somewhere. But that isn't Kapanen.

Beaudin for Johnsson, Boqvist and a 1st for marner

I don't understand how anybody on here except for maybe 5 or 6 could be discussed in a trade for Kapanen without the Leafs adding yet Leafs fans think he can be traded straight up for about 40 of the 45 players on this list and it would be fair

The point is I am beyond confused why Leafs fans think about 40 of the 45 players on this list could be traded straight up for Kapanen and I wanted to show them that these players could get way more than Kapanen in a package deal

Not a Leafs fan so I'm not totally sure

I know Andersson has a lot higher trade value than Kapanen. I am a Flames fan but I continuously along with every other Flames fan tell Leafs fans that this isn't a fair trade but they seem to think it is so I created this thread to show them that these guys are of great value and have a lot higher trade value than Kapanen

As a Detroit fan I think Seider might be a year or 2 out. I figured you would've mentioned Hronek.

Is Hronek a d-man?

Yes he got called up about half way through the season and played 46 games had 5g 18a 23p. At the World Championships playing for the Czech Republic he had 3g 8g 11p in 10 games. He might be Detroit's best defenseman now.