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Aug. 12, 2019 at 6:49 p.m.
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Dillon would be great defensive add for Pens. Highly doubt that San Jose would do it but their lack of depth on right is big so they might.
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Aug. 12, 2019 at 6:50 p.m.
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Dillon would be great defensive add for Pens. Highly doubt that San Jose would do it but their lack of depth on right is big so they might.


Kinda my thought.
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Aug. 12, 2019 at 6:53 p.m.
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Dillon would be great defensive add for Pens. Highly doubt that San Jose would do it but their lack of depth on right is big so they might.


Now, do you base that on value by positional need or player vs player?
Aug. 12, 2019 at 6:54 p.m.
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Now, do you base that on vale by positional need or player vs player?


Because they dont want to run with Simek in top-4. Vlasic-Burns/Dillon-Karlsson works nicely as their top-4.
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Aug. 12, 2019 at 6:55 p.m.
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Dumolin, Pettersson, Rikkola, Johnson AND you want Dillon, how many left hand D does Pittsburgh need?
lol
Aug. 12, 2019 at 6:58 p.m.
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Because they dont want to run with Simek in top-4. Vlasic-Burns/Dillon-Karlsson works nicely as their top-4.


I've seen a few talking about Simek being really good with Burns, Vlasic with Karlsson and their lack of actual RH RW's. Heed/Carrick seems pretty good for a 3rd pair. Prout has played a decent amount of games to be a V 7th.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 6:59 p.m.
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Rust would be a good add for the Sharks, but I don't see them giving up roster players for anyone. Most likely prospects/picks.

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Because they dont want to run with Simek in top-4. Vlasic-Burns/Dillon-Karlsson works nicely as their top-4.


Simek has been Burns' best defensive partner since Paul Martin. He's likely gonna continue being in that role. Vlasic or Dillon are gonna be on the 3rd pair, but they're most likely also gonna rotate with Karlsson and Burns at times seeing how those 2 play 50+ mins a night.
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Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:00 p.m.
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Dumolin, Pettersson, Rikkola, Johnson AND you want Dillon, how many left hand D does Pittsburgh need?
lol


3 of the 5 should be playing every night...Which ones do you like?
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:03 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Because they dont want to run with Simek in top-4. Vlasic-Burns/Dillon-Karlsson works nicely as their top-4.


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I've seen a few talking about Simek being really good with Burns, Vlasic with Karlsson and their lack of actual RH RW's. Heed/Carrick seems pretty good for a 3rd pair. Prout has played a decent amount of games to be a V 7th.


Sharks fan here. Yeah Simek seems to be the best partner with Burns, he was great before he went down with injury last season. Dillon probably could be had and SJ does need another mid to top six winger, preferably righty, but I don’t think that deal gets it done. Correct me if I’m wrong but it was my impression that Rust gets a lot of value from the stars in Pitty..? That and Blichfield is one of our better prospects I’d and he’s a righty which we need in the pipeline. Idk much about Bellerive in your trade
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:06 p.m.
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So we give up a top 4 d and the WHL top scorer for a 35 point guy and a free agent from the W? No deal. Most Id pay for rust is a third rounder. This deal could work if you remove Blichfeld and that free agent and put a prospect of value up.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:14 p.m.
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Sharks fan here. Yeah Simek seems to be the best partner with Burns, he was great before he went down with injury last season. Dillon probably could be had and SJ does need another mid to top six winger, preferably righty, but I don’t think that deal gets it done. Correct me if I’m wrong but it was my impression that Rust gets a lot of value from the stars in Pitty..? That and Blichfield is one of our better prospects I’d and he’s a righty which we need in the pipeline. Idk much about Bellerive in your trade


In 1-3 years, JB is exactly what they need on RW. Rust is what they need NOW. Dillon is what PIT needs now. SJS needs RW's this year because like PIT, the window isn't closing, someone's fingers are getting crushed keeping that window open. SJS gets a B- C prospect and a pretty good RW/LW on a decent contract for a pending UFA LD and a guy who just showed up last year
in the WHL.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:20 p.m.
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3 of the 5 should be playing every night...Which ones do you like?


Oh im not a Pens fan but just seems like you're loaded with LHD so not sure why they'd need Dillon but if he's an improvement on what you have then so be it.

Wasn't Pettersson quite good for the Pens and Rikkola had a good season as well I thought?
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:21 p.m.
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In 1-3 years, JB is exactly what they need on RW. Rust is what they need NOW. Dillon is what PIT needs now. SJS needs RW's this year because like PIT, the window isn't closing, someone's fingers are getting crushed keeping that window open. SJS gets a B- C prospect and a pretty good RW/LW on a decent contract for a pending UFA LD and a guy who just showed up last year
in the WHL.


Absolutely no. We give up more than you in this deal and that is clear, we lose a top 4 D man, worth about a second and a third as well as a very good RW prospect who dominated the W. We gain a middle six winger who the Pens need to move probably worth a third or fourth and a prospect who went undrafted and while is good, was on one of the best teams in the whole W.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:26 p.m.
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So we give up a top 4 d and the WHL top scorer for a 35 point guy and a free agent from the W? No deal. Most Id pay for rust is a third rounder. This deal could work if you remove Blichfeld and that free agent and put a prospect of value up.


That free agent is Dillon (vs Rust @ 3 more years). That is the valuation of the trade. JB vs. JB (just saw that...) the above trade is just the start of a scenario. Jordy vs Joachim is much more equal than you think. Look at progression vs draft year.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:28 p.m.
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Oh im not a Pens fan but just seems like you're loaded with LHD so not sure why they'd need Dillon but if he's an improvement on what you have then so be it.

Wasn't Pettersson quite good for the Pens and Rikkola had a good season as well I thought?


Pettersson needs a year in my mind.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:28 p.m.
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That free agent is Dillon (vs Rust @ 3 more years). That is the valuation of the trade. JB vs. JB (just saw that...) the above trade is just the start of a scenario. Jordy vs Joachim is much more equal than you think. Look at progression vs draft year.


Well fair enough but why even include them then? The sharks have plenty of Center prospects but very few RW, so that swap makes not much sense.
I think the Dillon for Rust swap isnt terrible but I just dont think Rust continues to produce like he did last year and I cant see him ever cracking 20 goals, which is what we need out of a trade winger.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:30 p.m.
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Absolutely no. We give up more than you in this deal and that is clear, we lose a top 4 D man, worth about a second and a third as well as a very good RW prospect who dominated the W. We gain a middle six winger who the Pens need to move probably worth a third or fourth and a prospect who went undrafted and while is good, was on one of the best teams in the whole W.


@ 21, JB "Dominated" the WHL. Stop and read that again.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:33 p.m.
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Well fair enough but why even include them then? The sharks have plenty of Center prospects but very few RW, so that swap makes not much sense.
I think the Dillon for Rust swap isnt terrible but I just dont think Rust continues to produce like he did last year and I cant see him ever cracking 20 goals, which is what we need out of a trade winger.


Well both teams have at best fringe D prospects so that isn't an enticement. Rust is a guy who can play with all SJS's C's and quite frankly be bored while doing it.
Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:50 p.m.
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Well both teams have at best fringe D prospects so that isn't an enticement. Rust is a guy who can play with all SJS's C's and quite frankly be bored while doing it.


Good for him but that doesnt make him worth Dillon. Why would we trade him here when we can get a second and a third for him while paying very little for a Rust caliber player?
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Aug. 12, 2019 at 7:54 p.m.
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In 1-3 years, JB is exactly what they need on RW. Rust is what they need NOW. Dillon is what PIT needs now. SJS needs RW's this year because like PIT, the window isn't closing, someone's fingers are getting crushed keeping that window open. SJS gets a B- C prospect and a pretty good RW/LW on a decent contract for a pending UFA LD and a guy who just showed up last year
in the WHL.


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Absolutely no. We give up more than you in this deal and that is clear, we lose a top 4 D man, worth about a second and a third as well as a very good RW prospect who dominated the W. We gain a middle six winger who the Pens need to move probably worth a third or fourth and a prospect who went undrafted and while is good, was on one of the best teams in the whole W.


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That free agent is Dillon (vs Rust @ 3 more years). That is the valuation of the trade. JB vs. JB (just saw that...) the above trade is just the start of a scenario. Jordy vs Joachim is much more equal than you think. Look at progression vs draft year.


Dillon > Rust, Ive seen Rust he traded for far less than Dillon and Dillon for Rust 1 for 1 isn’t a good trade for San Jose as we need our D. Throwing Blich in makes it worse. Rust would be good I do like him as a potential add but not for Dillon. Maybe Blich + a pick, I’m not knocking the trade saying it’s a “bad one lol you dumb” but I think if Doug Wilson moves Dillon it’d be for a more which isn’t impossible.
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Aug. 12, 2019 at 8:27 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Dumolin, Pettersson, Rikkola, Johnson AND you want Dillon, how many left hand D does Pittsburgh need?
lol


Riikola and Johnson are 7th d men at best though...
 
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