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TDL trade with Mtl for the playoff run

Created by: Bigphil
Initial Creation Date: Oct 24, 2019
Published: Oct 24 at 11:52 pm
Team: 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche
Team Explanation
This case implies that Mtl is out of the playoff and Price is waiving is NMC.
Trades
COL
  1. Price, Carey
  2. Folin, Christian
MTL
  1. Grubauer, Philipp
  2. Byram, Bowen
  3. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
Buyouts
  • Brooks Orpik: $1,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tyson Barrie: $2,750,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Kevin Connauton: $300,000 ($1,375,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
COL
TOR
COL
COL
FLA
COL
2021
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,291,428$0$3,532,500$208,572
Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000
RW
UFA - 6
COL
Burakovsky, André
$3,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
COL
Donskoi, Joonas
$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 4
COL
Jost, Tyson
$885,833
C, LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
COL
Wilson, Colin
$2,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
COL
Nieto, Matt
$1,975,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
COL
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,800,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
COL
Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
$850,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Kamenev, Vladislav
$750,000
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Girard, Samuel
$728,333
LD
UFA - 1
COL
Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
COL
Zadorov, Nikita
$3,200,000
LD
RFA - 1
COL
Makar, Cale
$880,833
RD
RFA - 2
COL
Francouz, Pavel
$950,000
G
UFA - 1
COL
Cole, Ian
$4,250,000
LD
UFA - 2
MTL
Folin, Christian
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
COL
Barberio, Mark
$1,450,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Oct 24 at 11:57
#1
Joined: Aug 2019
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Don't think so there mate. Col shouldn't give up the farm for a goalie upgrade that will handcuff them financially for years.
Oct 25 at 12:02
#2
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 254
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This team will truly compete for the cup once Byram gets to the NHL and they get another top/middle 6 winger. Going all in for this year while giving up a potential top pair D man is just a bad idea.
Oct 25 at 12:12
#3
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Quoting: MJC13
This team will truly compete for the cup once Byram gets to the NHL and they get another top/middle 6 winger. Going all in for this year while giving up a potential top pair D man is just a bad idea.


thats all assuming grubauer plays like good
Oct 25 at 1:10
#4
Joined: Jun 2019
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Quoting: sens65
thats all assuming grubauer plays like good


Hawks won the cup with stellar defense and ok goaltending, 3 times
Oct 25 at 2:15
#5
Cale 4 Calder
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,577
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Absolutely not
Oct 25 at 9:16
#6
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Quoting: sens65
thats all assuming grubauer plays like good


5-1-1 .915% is pretty good, better than prices record so far this year ( I still believe price is the best tender in the world)
Oct 25 at 9:21
#7
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,816
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@Bigphil the problem with this trade is you see price and grubauer and you say price is an upgrade... but how much of an upgrade? Does price win you 5-10 more games a year? Does price get hurt in the playoffs? What you really have to ask yourself is, is price worth 7+ mill more for seven years, the full potential of bowen byram, and the 2021 1st rd pick... and coming from a guy who still thinks price is the best goalie in the league, I dont feel that it's worth it
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Oct 25 at 9:34
#8
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 87
Likes: 23
Quoting: JeffW
@Bigphil the problem with this trade is you see price and grubauer and you say price is an upgrade... but how much of an upgrade? Does price win you 5-10 more games a year? Does price get hurt in the playoffs? What you really have to ask yourself is, is price worth 7+ mill more for seven years, the full potential of bowen byram, and the 2021 1st rd pick... and coming from a guy who still thinks price is the best goalie in the league, I dont feel that it's worth it


Based purely on "who is better, Price or Grubauer?" Of course the answer is Price and I definitely agree Price is the best Goalie in the league, hands down. Poor guy just never got a team in front of him. Good for him for getting paid since he'll never win a cup.
But definitely not worth pursuing since the cost to acquire him will be too great and also his absurd contract. Only way to get him will be if Montreal buys him out and the Avs make him an offer, but if Montreal buys him out, it will likely be because he's old and declined.
The Avs have Annunen showing signs of upside and I have high hopes for Miner as well.
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Oct 25 at 9:41
#9
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Quoting: avsjunkie11
Based purely on "who is better, Price or Grubauer?" Of course the answer is Price and I definitely agree Price is the best Goalie in the league, hands down. Poor guy just never got a team in front of him. Good for him for getting paid since he'll never win a cup.
But definitely not worth pursuing since the cost to acquire him will be too great and also his absurd contract. Only way to get him will be if Montreal buys him out and the Avs make him an offer, but if Montreal buys him out, it will likely be because he's old and declined.
The Avs have Annunen showing signs of upside and I have high hopes for Miner as well.


Haha who cares about their prospects, gruby is 27 and no reason he should have at least 8 more seasons in him maybe more, they always trade for a goalie anyway.

I feel bad for price unless MTL does something to get some scoring in front of him, maybe some top potential dmen ( not from the avs)
Oct 25 at 11:32
#10
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 87
Likes: 23
Quoting: JeffW
Haha who cares about their prospects, gruby is 27 and no reason he should have at least 8 more seasons in him maybe more, they always trade for a goalie anyway.

I feel bad for price unless MTL does something to get some scoring in front of him, maybe some top potential dmen ( not from the avs)


As an Avs fan, you should probably care about their prospects since, as you said, they always trade for a goalie anyway. They finally have some goalies to look forward to man. Of course I'm hoping Grubi has a ton more healthy, solid seasons for the Avs. That would be awesome, especially if Francouz continues to shine.
Oct 25 at 12:03
#11
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Quoting: avsjunkie11
As an Avs fan, you should probably care about their prospects since, as you said, they always trade for a goalie anyway. They finally have some goalies to look forward to man. Of course I'm hoping Grubi has a ton more healthy, solid seasons for the Avs. That would be awesome, especially if Francouz continues to shine.


I'm just saying that the avs have never successfully drafted a starting goalie since they've been in denver.. pickard and budaj are their best drafted goalies, if players like grubauer will only cost them a 2nd and 3rd pick I'd say keep picking skaters
Oct 25 at 12:06
#12
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Quoting: JeffW
I'm just saying that the avs have never successfully drafted a starting goalie since they've been in denver.. pickard and budaj are their best drafted goalies, if players like grubauer will only cost them a 2nd and 3rd pick I'd say keep picking skaters


I don't disagree with ya. Just saying it's nice to see a few goalies that the Avs have drafted who aren't garbage all while having 2 very capable goalies in the NHL.
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Oct 25 at 2:59
#13
Thread Starter
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Quoting: JeffW
@Bigphil the problem with this trade is you see price and grubauer and you say price is an upgrade... but how much of an upgrade? Does price win you 5-10 more games a year? Does price get hurt in the playoffs? What you really have to ask yourself is, is price worth 7+ mill more for seven years, the full potential of bowen byram, and the 2021 1st rd pick... and coming from a guy who still thinks price is the best goalie in the league, I dont feel that it's worth it


One thing for sure is that Price can win games by himself and is putting pressure on the organization to win now. I don't think the organization will be able to provide him a cup contender team in the short future. A trade would be a good thing for him.
Oct 25 at 6:54
#14
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Quoting: Bigphil
One thing for sure is that Price can win games by himself and is putting pressure on the organization to win now. I don't think the organization will be able to provide him a cup contender team in the short future. A trade would be a good thing for him.


Agreed, however unless MTL retains a significant piece of his deal it wont be good for the team he goes to
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