The Leafs would use Kaskisuo before trading a 3rd for a guy who is worse than what they currently have.

Kaskisuo looks like he could be a solid goalie. Probably wouldn’t want to waste him as a backup. Smart move would be to let him play in the ahl and keep developing his skills and playing more games.

Copley vs Hutchinson.
Copley nhl numbers last year
29gp (25gs) 16-8-3 2.98gga .901s% 1so

Hutchinson
5gp (4gs) 0-3-1 4.25gga .885sv% 0so

I would say anything is better than Hutchinson currently. Copley’s numbers are very solid. Needless to say I disagree with you on him being worse. To each their own

Both Johansen and Panik have value and wI'll have decent NHL careers. Puljujarvi does not, and will not.

I think I’m just being impatient with Pánik but Johansen has been surpassed a few times on the depth chart. I’m losing faith

In what universe does Lucas Johansen have anywhere near Puljujarvi's value? Just because he was once a 1st round pick? He's done nothing since. Besides, the Oilers have way too many LHD prospects already - so many so that they will have to trade several of them within the next 10 months. He would be completely buried on Edmonton's depth chart.

Panik is a 28-year-old 3rd liner who is signed for $2.75M for the next 4 years. He has zero value to the Oilers. Besides, he's currently on LTIR due to an upper body injury.

Oilers bottom 6 is pretty terrible. He’s exactly what the oilers would be looking for. A solid bottom 6 guy who’s solid in both ends. What has Puljujarvi done? Did I miss him being good or something. In what world does he have a higher value than LucaJo? One of these guys is currently playing in North America one isn’t. Now the oilers may not need him bc of depth in their system but value wise both players don’t have much. Puljujarvi is a massive bust.

Oooo, one of these guys is playing in North America! You do realize Johansen is in the AHL, right? And that JP is playing in a league that's equivalent in skill level? And that Johansen is six months older than Puljujarvi yet has never even played a single NHL game? What does that make him, a bustier bust? What a joke.

And I'm sure Edmonton has zero interest in the Panik contract. You'd need to pay us to take it on. It was a stupid mistake the moment it was signed.

The capitals are extremely deep defensively. He couldn’t make that roster. Oilers are embarrassing offensively in the bottom 6. He couldn’t make that roster. Playing in North America means he’s committed to the process. He’s not an entitled baby....

To your other point. Bouchard has only played 7 nhl games and 0 of them are this year. Does that make him a bust or does it take longer to develop defensemen? This is just basic hockey stuff. Dont glorify your players it’s a bad look. That being said Bouchard is going to be a stud even tho he only played 7 nhl games. Unlike Puljujarvi who has proven he’s not a nhl talent. At least With the oilers

- Puljujarvi "couldn't make the roster"? WTF?! You really haven't been paying attention, have you.
- Bouchard just turned pro, Johansen has already been in the AHL for two years. Big difference.

You are one of the most clueless posters on this board, and there are a LOT of clueless people here.

He was a 4th overall pick that played 139 games and had a point total of 37. That’s .26ppg or 21 points a year. He played 3 seasons which would mean he was either hurt or didn’t play in 107 professional games. He missed 43% of the games he could have possibly played in but I’m the clueless one. If he was such a priority the oilers would have signed him but the reality of the situation is he’s average at best.

Bouchard and LucaJo are 1 year apart. Hardly matters when he decided to turn pro the facts are that he’s in the exact same spot. Both guys are better suited playing in the minor bc it takes long to develop dmen. His 7 game preview was terrible 1g -7. He’s still going to be a great player just wasnt ready. It could be a conditioning issue or a size issue either way dmen take longer.

You need to stop being a huge cry baby. You are so angry that it makes your points seem pointless. I get you think your players are special but he’s not. Yak 2.0

You don't understand how these things work, do you? These guys don't "decide" when to turn pro, it's governed by the NHL-CHL agreement.

Bouchard: October 1999
Johansen: November 1997

Do the math.

Okay I went off age not exact birthdate so closer to 2 years difference but doesn’t change my overall point that it takes long to develop dmen than forwards. I also notice you are now focused on the LucaJo Bouchard comparison which was more of an example than the initial point that Puljujarvi value is being glorified by you. But stay angry and maybe some team will pay more for his potential than his actual results.

Johansen hasn't done anything. Puljujarvi has proven that he is not an NHLer. You are correct in that they do not have the same value. Johansen still has value.
Puljujarvi does not.

Your obsession with Puljujarvi is unhealthy.

It's not an obsession with Puljujarvi, it's an obsession with pointing out to people when they are delusional and player value. Stop being delusional about Puljujarvi's value and you would stop seeing me.

I literally spelled it out for him and he didn’t get it. He also chirped Pánik who right now would have more value than Puljujarvi. 21 ppg average Isn’t good

The "In what universe does Lucas Johansen have anywhere near Puljujarvi's value? Just because he was once a 1st round pick? He's done nothing since." Made me chuckle out loud. Puljujarvi has literally proven that he can not handle the NHL game but all you hear out of Oil-world is how valuable he is. They were delusional about Yakupov and you would think that they would have learned... but nope, even more delusional about Puljujarvi.

Their constant delusion is making some drink the koolaid, $2.9Mx2 but someone recently, so maybe if they keep pushing that sad agenda some GM will fall for it. (Not really)

Imagine any other nhl team having as many high end picks as the oilers and still not being good.

Since 2009 oilers have had: 10 years

(4) first overall picks. #1
(9) top 10 overall picks

How do you live with yourself having 4 #1 picks and not being a play off team. I can’t name the last time a team has drafted so poorly. What 1/2 the #1 picks aren’t even on the team. And McDavid is a generational talent so that one was obvious.

Regardless, Copley is practically worthless because he's overpaid and not great. If Washington likes him as their #3, that's great. We don't need another #3 when we already have two. We need a legit backup.

Well we have 2 # 1 goalies currently but if samsonov wasn’t here he would be #2. And again hutch is the worst goalie in the nhl. Anything would be a massive upgrade.

These trades are fair, but the Caps should only consider the Edmonton one because Copley slipped through waivers during camp, and Hutchinson might not clear. Hershey needs goalies. Leafs could get Copley for Kasimir and a couple of prospects, because Kasimir, the way I understand it, wouldn't have to clear waivers to get to Hershey.

If Panik gets going, he's a top-six wing. Right now he's playing good defense and killing penalties, and the team is winning some games. Could they use a pick, a prospect, and cap space? Okay. Is it important to them? Not really.

Copley would not be. The guy has little trade value, and there are a bunch of other deals the Leafs could explore to upgrade their backup position without giving up a 3rd for an overpaid mediocre (at best) goalie. If we wanted to keep a mediocre backup, we would have just kept Garret Sparks for 350k less on the cap.