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Make an offer for Kreider Strome Hank and Fast

Created by: Braah
Initial Creation Date: Nov 13, 2019
Published: Nov 13 at 4:01 pm
Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers
Buyouts
  • Dan Girardi: $3,611,111
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,483,333
  • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
  • Brad Richards: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: $750,000 (19%)
Buried
  • Matt Beleskey: $825,000 ($1,900,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NYR
NYR
DAL
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NSH
VAN
2021
NYR
NYR
NYR
BUF
NYR
OTT
NYR
NYR
NYR
2022
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$79,864,799$0$5,045,000$1,635,201
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$3,250,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
NYR
Kreider, Chris
$4,625,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
NYR
Strome, Ryan
$3,100,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Fast, Jesper
$1,850,000
RW
UFA - 1
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Andersson, Lias
$894,166
C, LW
RFA - 2
NYR
Kakko, Kaapo
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
LW, C
RFA - 2
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
NYR
McKegg, Greg
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
NYR
Haley, Micheal
$700,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Staal, Marc
$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
$8,000,000
RD
UFA - 7
NYR
Lundqvist, Henrik
$8,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Skjei, Brady
$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
NYR
Smith, Brendan
$4,350,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$792,500
G
RFA - 1
NYR
Rykov, Yegor
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
$925,000
RD
RFA - 3
NYR
Hájek, Libor
$833,333
LD
RFA - 2

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Nov 13 at 4:18
#1
Mikey F.
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Could the Pens offer Poulin and a 2nd?
Nov 13 at 4:22
#2
Cale 4 Calder
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2nd round pick in 2021 (COL) + one of Ranta/Mutala/Helleson/Greer/Stienburg/Kovalenko or a different B prospect for Lundqvist
Nov 13 at 4:29
#3
Bcarlo25
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Bjork, John Moore, and a 3rd for Kreider from Boston. I don’t think he’s worth all that much.
Nov 13 at 4:29
#4
Tspky
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Quoting: moli92
2nd round pick in 2021 (COL) + one of Ranta/Mutala/Helleson/Greer/Stienburg/Kovalenko or a different B prospect for Lundqvist


if it's only a 2nd rounder, it would be bowers over any of those. the reunion with dq makes sense too


Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Could the Pens offer Poulin and a 2nd?


for whom?
Nov 13 at 4:32
#5
Cale 4 Calder
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Quoting: Spanky227
if it's only a 2nd rounder, it would be bowers over any of those. the reunion with dq makes sense too


No deal. We are taking Lundqvists full 8.5M cap hit so you arent gonna get a recent 1st round pick + a 2nd rounder for him
Nov 13 at 4:48
#6
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Sanford, 2020 second round, 2021 3rd round which turns into a second if Kreider resigns with the Blues.
Nov 13 at 4:49
#7
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Quoting: moli92
2nd round pick in 2021 (COL) + one of Ranta/Mutala/Helleson/Greer/Stienburg/Kovalenko or a different B prospect for Lundqvist


Why the heck are you taking Lundy? He's passed his prime. Stick with grubauer
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Nov 13 at 4:50
#8
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Bjork, John Moore, and a 3rd for Kreider from Boston. I don’t think he’s worth all that much.

Please stop bro. I have so much love for the bruins. Don’t be offering a overpaid veteran who we dumped and has FOUR years left just to be a 7th defenseman. Bjork is nice tho good bottom 6 guy and a 3rd but for Kreider isn’t close
Nov 13 at 4:50
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Thread Starter
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Could the Pens offer Poulin and a 2nd?


Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Could the Pens offer Poulin and a 2nd?


Absolutely
Nov 13 at 4:51
#10
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Chopper02
Sanford, 2020 second round, 2021 3rd round which turns into a second if Kreider resigns with the Blues.

Nope
Nov 13 at 4:51
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Quoting: Spanky227
if it's only a 2nd rounder, it would be bowers over any of those. the reunion with dq makes sense too




for whom?


You're not getting value for Lundy without retaining.

If you were any other organization but the Rangers I'd say you're never trading him, because his cap hit is huge, he has an NTC and he is a pillar in the organization's history. But the Rangers have made a habit out of successfully and repeatedly getting out of bad contracts so I won't say never
Nov 13 at 4:52
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Cale 4 Calder
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Quoting: BCAPP
Why the heck are you taking Lundy? He's passed his prime. Stick with grubauer


Would be a good experienced backup who can start 30-35 games and still has the ability to steal games
Nov 13 at 4:56
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Tspky
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Quoting: BCAPP
You're not getting value for Lundy without retaining.

If you were any other organization but the Rangers I'd say you're never trading him, because his cap hit is huge, he has an NTC and he is a pillar in the organization's history. But the Rangers have made a habit out of successfully and repeatedly getting out of bad contracts so I won't say never


I'm just spitballing. bowers is a b prospect..

Quoting: moli92
No deal. We are taking Lundqvists full 8.5M cap hit so you arent gonna get a recent 1st round pick + a 2nd rounder for him


like i said above, doesn't matter what round he was picked in he's still a b prospect at best. and he was also 28th overall so he was one of the final 1st rounders that year.. he has 4 points in 21 AHL games (including playoffs) so it's not exactly like he's increased his value (and since the duchene trade it's gone down, at that point in time he was just drafted and he didn't perform amazingly in college or in the ahl so far)
Nov 13 at 5:09
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: Spanky227
if it's only a 2nd rounder, it would be bowers over any of those. the reunion with dq makes sense too




for whom?


Kreider?
Nov 13 at 5:13
#15
Pass it to Lucic
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Eberle for Strome

Signed Chai
Nov 13 at 5:18
#16
Ragsandboltsfan
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Quoting: moli92
No deal. We are taking Lundqvists full 8.5M cap hit so you arent gonna get a recent 1st round pick + a 2nd rounder for him


Hes worth every cent
Nov 13 at 5:25
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Cale 4 Calder
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Quoting: Spanky227
I'm just spitballing. bowers is a b prospect..



like i said above, doesn't matter what round he was picked in he's still a b prospect at best. and he was also 28th overall so he was one of the final 1st rounders that year.. he has 4 points in 21 AHL games (including playoffs) so it's not exactly like he's increased his value (and since the duchene trade it's gone down, at that point in time he was just drafted and he didn't perform amazingly in college or in the ahl so far)


He was really good in preseason and almost made the team out of camp. I would consider him an A- or B+ prospect, either way I wouldn't give him and a 2nd for Lundqvist without retention
Nov 13 at 5:25
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Cale 4 Calder
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Hes worth every cent


He used to be. Not anymore though
Nov 13 at 6:35
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Quoting: Spanky227
I'm just spitballing. bowers is a b prospect..


What I mean is I wouldn't expect to get guys like Bowers unless you retain half his salary. I guess Colorado could afford him. They're about teh only team who could afford him and is competitive.

If you retain half his salary then his pedigree can likely get you a decent return
Nov 14 at 9:09
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Tspky
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Quoting: moli92
He was really good in preseason and almost made the team out of camp. I would consider him an A- or B+ prospect, either way I wouldn't give him and a 2nd for Lundqvist without retention


This is just my view but it seems to be typical over total NHL prospect rankings:

Rank 1-25 - A Prospects
Rank 26-50 - A- Prospects
Rank 51-75 - B+ prospects
Rank 76-100 - B prospects

This is just one example, but THW ranked the top 100 going into this season.. bowers didn't make it.
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

the LWH also did the top 100 (sorry you have to click next link 4 times to see all)
https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/09/22/2019-top-nhl-prospects-100-81/

bowers didn't make this list either.

I'm not saying he's a horrible NHL prospect, I'm just saying his NHL projection isn't that of a b+/a- player.. these are almost always top 6 players and bowers is projecting to be more of a 3rd line player (that isn't a bad thing, he's still an NHL player).

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/lundqhe01.html

look at the stats for Lundqvist in the playoffs, he always plays better in larger games. I know people have said he is declining, and they aren't wrong. But look at his goals saved above average, he is performing much better this year than last year. I think this number would be much better on colorado given the state of their team vs the rangers being the bottom feeders that they are.

IDK if colorado is the best buyer (since they have a goalie already), but I also know NYR and henrik want him to retire a ranger, IDK they would give him up for an offer that wasn't in their favor. Then again i'm not the GM, just giving my opinion on the trade posted.
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Nov 14 at 9:10
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Tspky
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Kreider?


accepted in a heartbeat
Nov 14 at 12:03
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Cale 4 Calder
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Quoting: Spanky227
This is just my view but it seems to be typical over total NHL prospect rankings:

Rank 1-25 - A Prospects
Rank 26-50 - A- Prospects
Rank 51-75 - B+ prospects
Rank 76-100 - B prospects

This is just one example, but THW ranked the top 100 going into this season.. bowers didn't make it.
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

the LWH also did the top 100 (sorry you have to click next link 4 times to see all)
https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/09/22/2019-top-nhl-prospects-100-81/

bowers didn't make this list either.

I'm not saying he's a horrible NHL prospect, I'm just saying his NHL projection isn't that of a b+/a- player.. these are almost always top 6 players and bowers is projecting to be more of a 3rd line player (that isn't a bad thing, he's still an NHL player).

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/lundqhe01.html

look at the stats for Lundqvist in the playoffs, he always plays better in larger games. I know people have said he is declining, and they aren't wrong. But look at his goals saved above average, he is performing much better this year than last year. I think this number would be much better on colorado given the state of their team vs the rangers being the bottom feeders that they are.

IDK if colorado is the best buyer (since they have a goalie already), but I also know NYR and henrik want him to retire a ranger, IDK they would give him up for an offer that wasn't in their favor. Then again i'm not the GM, just giving my opinion on the trade posted.


Fair enough. I like how much you looked into it but the classification of Bowers doesn't change that I just wouldn't give him and a 2nd for Lundqvist.
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