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Not the STL NYR SJ deals you were thinking of

Created by: jluqueSF
Initial Creation Date: Jan 21, 2020
Published: Jan 21 at 3:43 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Allen, Jake ($1,522,500 retained)
  2. Sanford, Zachary
  3. Borgman, Andreas
  4. 2021 6th round pick (STL)
Additional Details:
Blues call up V. Husso to determine what his future is as a Arb. RFA
STL
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Timashov, Dmytro
  3. Hutchinson, Michael
  4. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Andersson, Lias
  2. Deangelo, Anthony
Additional Details:
Barrie can then be flipped by NYR for additional 2/3 rd picks
NYR
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
TOR
  1. Dillon, Brenden
  2. 2020 5th round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Andersson, Lias
  2. Kivihalme, Teemu
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
SJS
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
STL
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,459,366$0$132,500$40,634
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
STL
Sanford, Zachary
$1,500,000
LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$759,167
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
STL
Allen, Jake
$2,827,500
G
UFA - 2
SJS
Dillon, Brenden
$3,270,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Jan 21 at 3:49
#1
Joined: Jun 2018
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I’ll keep Deangelo and lias instead of Barrie and johnsson
Jan 21 at 3:49
#2
Joined: Aug 2019
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Your right I wasn’t thinking that
Jan 21 at 3:51
#3
Leafs Suck
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,217
Likes: 198
Rangers say hell no
Jan 21 at 3:51
#4
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 963
Likes: 180
That NYR trade is laughable.
Jan 21 at 3:53
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JLuque
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Quoting: Noah93_
I’ll keep Deangelo and lias instead of Barrie and johnsson


that was the one i struggled with, not sure of the discourse between Lias/Tony and the club after the Lias thing and a QO for Tony; leafs could also include a Bracco/Korshkov type for a lesser prospect back; Leafs also have a few reserve rights D (Kral/Rasanen) that could be included
Jan 21 at 3:56
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Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 43
Likes: 11
Quoting: jluqueSF
that was the one i struggled with, not sure of the discourse between Lias/Tony and the club after the Lias thing and a QO for Tony; leafs could also include a Bracco/Korshkov type for a lesser prospect back; Leafs also have a few reserve rights D (Kral/Rasanen) that could be included


Still rather not give up Deangelo, lias and a lesser prospect for bracco, johnsson and Barrie. We’d have to find a trade with Barrie who’s value isn’t deangelos. And bracco isn’t very valuable to me being 5’9 and not having star power and never played in the NHL and isn’t the youngest prospect. I’d hang the phone up
Jan 21 at 4:11
#7
mokumboi
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 1,275
Likes: 267
Blues aren't trading Allen until summer, maybe call back then... but Hutch & Timashov hold no interest for us.
Jan 21 at 4:53
#8
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 388
Likes: 142
Quoting: mokumboi
Blues aren't trading Allen until summer, maybe call back then... but Hutch & Timashov hold no interest for us.


i strongly disagree. this trade is a fantastic deal for st louis that improves the team short-term and makes signing pietrangelo significantly easier in the post-season, as STL nets about 1.5m in cap space from this deal. hutchinson and timashov might not be high value but timashov is strongly cost-controlled and hutchinson has been serviceable when he has access to a high-fundamentals defensive core. meanwhile kapanen is by a wide margin the best player in this trade and adds 20 goals to the team's middle six on a very nice contract. this is an absolute slam dunk from STL's perspective.
Jan 21 at 5:17
#9
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,459
Likes: 531
Quoting: grok
i strongly disagree. this trade is a fantastic deal for st louis that improves the team short-term and makes signing pietrangelo significantly easier in the post-season, as STL nets about 1.5m in cap space from this deal. hutchinson and timashov might not be high value but timashov is strongly cost-controlled and hutchinson has been serviceable when he has access to a high-fundamentals defensive core. meanwhile kapanen is by a wide margin the best player in this trade and adds 20 goals to the team's middle six on a very nice contract. this is an absolute slam dunk from STL's perspective.


Quoting: mokumboi
Blues aren't trading Allen until summer, maybe call back then... but Hutch & Timashov hold no interest for us.


I agree with both of you somewhat. The value the Blues receive in this trade is solid. However, @mokumboi is likely correct in that the Note won't trade Allen until the summer, especially with the rough go Binnington has had lately. It's fair deal, but the timing just isn't right for the Blues. One other thing to consider: what if Jake Allen continues his stellar play all year? What is his value then come summertime? The Blues would have a goalie with one year on his contract at a very reasonable $4.3 million who lit it up the year before, has been a number one before, has stolen a playoff series (Sorry Minnesota. Not really) before, and is young enough that a team willing to trust him long-term can sign him long-term if desired.

Armstrong would perhaps be cutting off his own legs if he moved Allen before the year is up, and I'm not sure that would rank high on his "to-do" list.
Jan 21 at 5:40
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mokumboi
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 1,275
Likes: 267
Quoting: rja40
I agree with both of you somewhat. The value the Blues receive in this trade is solid. However, @mokumboi is likely correct in that the Note won't trade Allen until the summer, especially with the rough go Binnington has had lately. It's fair deal, but the timing just isn't right for the Blues. One other thing to consider: what if Jake Allen continues his stellar play all year? What is his value then come summertime? The Blues would have a goalie with one year on his contract at a very reasonable $4.3 million who lit it up the year before, has been a number one before, has stolen a playoff series (Sorry Minnesota. Not really) before, and is young enough that a team willing to trust him long-term can sign him long-term if desired.

Armstrong would perhaps be cutting off his own legs if he moved Allen before the year is up, and I'm not sure that would rank high on his "to-do" list.



Yeah, it's not just about the value of the players in the trade (though as I said Tymo and Hutch are redundant in our pool). Making our forward corps marginally better (and yes, Kap is still young enough to improve and signed on a good deal) wouldn't mean much if Binny suddenly is sidelined near or during the playoffs. And Allen's price only keeps rising ATM. Plus, his math is off, the trade would net us about .4M in cap space once you include calling up Husso to replace Allen. Put it all together, and this is far from any kind of slam dunk for the Blues. It's likely a small net gain on the wing for the gamble of having a totally green back-up to Binny. So... that's a nah from me today, but call back after we win the Cup again.
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