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Question- Fair deals for Bos SJ EDM and COL

Created by: Sothpaw1850
Initial Creation Date: Feb 1, 2020
Published: Feb 5 at 12:36 am
Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers
Team Explanation
Kreider signs in Boston so this is not a rental trade
Trades
NYR
  1. Heinen, Danton
  2. Backes, David ($3,000,000 retained)
  3. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Kreider, Chris ($2,250,000 retained)
NYR
  1. Gallant, Zachary
  2. Labanc, Kevin
SJS
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  2. Khaira, Jujhar
EDM
  1. Andersson, Lias
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (DAL)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
NYR
  1. Newhook, Alex [Reserve List]
  2. Rosén, Calle
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (TOR)
COL
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel
  2. Smith, Brendan ($2,000,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Dan Girardi: $3,611,111
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,483,333
  • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
  • Brad Richards: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Chris Kreider: $2,250,000 (48.65%)
  • Brendan Smith: $2,000,000 (45.98%)
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: $750,000 (19%)
Buried
  • David Backes: $425,000 ($1,500,000)
  • Matt Beleskey: $825,000 ($1,900,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NYR
BOS
NYR
TOR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NSH
VAN
2021
NYR
NYR
BOS
NYR
NYR
OTT
NYR
NYR
NYR
2022
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$75,769,800$0$7,762,500$5,730,200
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
LW, C
RFA - 2
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
NYR
Kakko, Kaapo
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Strome, Ryan
$3,100,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
SJS
Labanc, Kevin
$1,000,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Heinen, Danton
$2,800,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
NYR
Fast, Jesper
$1,850,000
RW
UFA - 1
NYR
McKegg, Greg
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Skjei, Brady
$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
$8,000,000
RD
UFA - 7
NYR
Lundqvist, Henrik
$8,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Staal, Marc
$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
$925,000
G
RFA - 2
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
$925,000
RD
RFA - 3
COL
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 2

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Feb 5 at 12:38
#1
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HAHAHAHA

good lord, i don't even know where to start
Feb 5 at 12:39
#2
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Tough to see Poolparty go but hope you guys like him in New York
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Feb 5 at 12:40
#3
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Dont say fair deals if you have no idea whats fair. Not even close on SJ trade. Rangers add an early second at least
Feb 5 at 12:42
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Quoting: Shifttee
HAHAHAHA

good lord, i don't even know where to start


Ok bud.... calm down... care to explain?
Feb 5 at 12:44
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Quoting: papishark
Dont say fair deals if you have no idea whats fair. Not even close on SJ trade. Rangers add an early second at least


Labanc is a 40-45 point player. You’re getting a cheap cost-controlled starting goalie that isn’t a dumpster fire
Feb 5 at 12:49
#6
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Quoting: Sothpaw1850
Labanc is a 40-45 point player. You’re getting a cheap cost-controlled starting goalie that isn’t a dumpster fire


He isnt a starting goalie, hes a decent backup. Every team that overpays for one gets ripped off and we wont do it again.
Feb 5 at 12:53
#7
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Quoting: Sothpaw1850
Ok bud.... calm down... care to explain?


i'll just go with the simple ones

Lablanc is worth more than Georgiev point blank

Boston is not retaining 3 mil on Backes (they'd end up with less than 2 mil in cap relief)
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Feb 5 at 1:08
#8
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Quoting: Sothpaw1850
Labanc is a 40-45 point player. You’re getting a cheap cost-controlled starting goalie that isn’t a dumpster fire


Thats a really poor description of Labanc, especially considering he is coming off a 56 point uear playing on the 3rd line. He has great underlying numbers too with back to back 56% CF years. Also in what way is Georgiev cost controlled and Labanc is not? Rangers are certainly the team that adds here.
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Feb 5 at 1:25
#9
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Edited Feb 5 at 1:46
In a word a no....these are all ripoffs. Especially that Sharks deal. Swap Labanc for a 2nd. Then they might consider it. 3rd they’d consider it more. Sorry to burst your bubble but while fans are impressed by small sample sizes and hot streaks I can assure GMs are not. While fans were seeing a future #1 goalie worthy of a 1st or a young 20 goal scorer, GMs saw a backup caliber goalie worth a 3rd and a prospect.

Bruins, eliminate the retention on both sides. Drop the 1st to a 2nd or the 2nd to a 3rd. Consider it.
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Feb 5 at 5:33
#10
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Bruins trade - I dont like it much from either side. Adding Kreider for a cup run and dumping Backes may both be worthy goals, but they dont belong in the same transaction.
Sharks trade - Lebanc for Georgiev is a starting point but the Rangers would be the team adding. If I'm NYR I'd be ok with a 3rd.
Oilers trade - pretty close to fair but if Puljujarvi is moved if think they would want immediate help for this years playoff run.
Avs trade - Buchnevich isn't close to getting you Newhook and the rest of the deal makes it worse.
Feb 5 at 5:39
#11
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Quoting: papishark
Dont say fair deals if you have no idea whats fair. Not even close on SJ trade. Rangers add an early second at least


As a Ranger fan I think the team that ends up with Georgiev is going to be very happy. But I would agree the Rangers would have to add, though I would say a 3rd.
Believe me, if we didn't have Shesterkin we would never hear a word about Georgiev being traded.
Feb 5 at 8:47
#12
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Quoting: Gofnut999
In a word a no....these are all ripoffs. Especially that Sharks deal. Swap Labanc for a 2nd. Then they might consider it. 3rd they’d consider it more. Sorry to burst your bubble but while fans are impressed by small sample sizes and hot streaks I can assure GMs are not. While fans were seeing a future #1 goalie worthy of a 1st or a young 20 goal scorer, GMs saw a backup caliber goalie worth a 3rd and a prospect.

Bruins, eliminate the retention on both sides. Drop the 1st to a 2nd or the 2nd to a 3rd. Consider it.


cost to take bakes w/o retention is a 1st round pick and that's without giving anything up (see marleau trade last year). w/ retained you are still likely giving up a 2nd but i'll give you the 3rd rounder.

Cost for kreider is a 1st and a young roster forward. Don't wanna give it up? someone will.. btw the deal helps Boston retain Krug and others next season by eliminating an extra 2m in cap (with the proposed retained salary)..

so heinen+1st+3rd is pretty much the minimum to eliminate Backes' salary next year too
Feb 5 at 9:19
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Edited Feb 5 at 9:34
Quoting: Spanky227
cost to take bakes w/o retention is a 1st round pick and that's without giving anything up (see marleau trade last year). w/ retained you are still likely giving up a 2nd but i'll give you the 3rd rounder.

Cost for kreider is a 1st and a young roster forward. Don't wanna give it up? someone will.. btw the deal helps Boston retain Krug and others next season by eliminating an extra 2m in cap (with the proposed retained salary)..

so heinen+1st+3rd is pretty much the minimum to eliminate Backes' salary next year too


Lol, Marleau has nothing to do with it. Don’t be that guy. Completely different circumstances. Why didn’t the Leafs get a 1st when they took David Clarkson? Completely different circumstances.

Marleau was 35+ contract. Backes is not. No cap relief on Marleau.

Leafs were backed into a corner and had to move Mareleau’s entire contract. B’s can sign everyone next year with Backes still on the team other than Halak who has played and priced his way out of Boston anyway.

Marleau cost more in actual $ to buyout than Backes.

Boston can retain on Backes to lower the cost of moving him. Leafs could not.

Leafs had to and were willing to pay a premium to move him. B’s don’t need to and aren’t willing to.

Marleau was a problem. Backes is an inconvenience


Better comparable. Steve Mason. Was moved with 25pt wing, 4th, 7th for fringe player. So Backes, Kuraly, 3rd for Ebert. Then we’ll trade you Heinen and 2nd for Kreider, no retention. Or you can swap Kuraly and the 3rd for the 2nd and we are right back to the deal i said above. If not, no big deal. Kreider is not the player they need. They have a glut of left shot wings. They need a true RW.
Feb 5 at 10:11
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Lol, Marleau has nothing to do with it. Don’t be that guy. Completely different circumstances. Why didn’t the Leafs get a 1st when they took David Clarkson? Completely different circumstances.

Marleau was 35+ contract. Backes is not. No cap relief on Marleau.

Leafs were backed into a corner and had to move Mareleau’s entire contract. B’s can sign everyone next year with Backes still on the team other than Halak who has played and priced his way out of Boston anyway.

Marleau cost more in actual $ to buyout than Backes.

Boston can retain on Backes to lower the cost of moving him. Leafs could not.

Leafs had to and were willing to pay a premium to move him. B’s don’t need to and aren’t willing to.

Marleau was a problem. Backes is an inconvenience


Better comparable. Steve Mason. Was moved with 25pt wing, 4th, 7th for fringe player. So Backes, Kuraly, 3rd for Ebert. Then we’ll trade you Heinen and 2nd for Kreider, no retention. Or you can swap Kuraly and the 3rd for the 2nd and we are right back to the deal i said above. If not, no big deal. Kreider is not the player they need. They have a glut of left shot wings. They need a true RW.


Not to burst your bubble but David clarkson will never count against the cap because he’s LTIR retired. I’d say Marleau really does set the market on terrible one year contracts
Feb 5 at 10:13
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hahaha thats the easiest no and Sakic telling the rangers to pound Sand trade offer for Newhook
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Feb 5 at 10:44
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Edited Feb 5 at 1:22
Quoting: papishark
Not to burst your bubble but David clarkson will never count against the cap because he’s LTIR retired. I’d say Marleau really does set the market on terrible one year contracts


That was the point. Different circumstances mean different costs to dump. Marleau was the extreme.

There are plenty of factors. Cap hit, contract length, type of contract, production, health, cap situation of selling and buying teams. Etc, etc. on a scale of 1 to 10, Clarkson was a 1. Marleau a 9, had he had more than 1 year left he’d have been a 10. Louie Eriksson, Bobby, Ryan, Kyle Okposo, Karl Alzner. 8-9, Backes is a 7. Mason was a 6.

Oh, and Clarkson still counts against the cap. All players on LTIR do. Teams just get cap relief and are allowed to go over using a formula. This site just simplifies it, but LTIR is not a magic wand that erases the cap hit.
 
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