Based on the very significant comp of the Coleman deal, Kapanen should be worth at least Bouchard and a 2nd, if not a 1st. So you are telling me that Kapanen plus Dermott does not get Nurse and Bouchard? You are dreaming.

Way too much. Coleman's trade indicates that Kapanen is worth at least Bouchard and a 2nd, if not a 1st, by himself. Barrie is a totally different market, but he should be worth at least two 2nd rounders, if not more, again, by himself.

That's exactly why, 5 RFAs signed in one offseason - historically those RFAs tend to lay back a season thinking they got this thing but then real life comes along and says no you don't still need to earn that I've. Now let's look at the teams who have actually won something Pens, Caps, Blues, Bruins all took years of development all had hard losses, all had ****e seasons and all matured and eventually put it all together to win. This is not a win this year or blow it up scenerio this is a we just got into the conversation of contending (2 years ahead of schedule mind you) situation, this is what learning how to win is

Just pick another team, Edmonton is no position to go all in, nor has anything Holland has ever done as a GM indicate this is a move he'd put in play, if you want that return think actual contenders

Fair enough.

When's the window to win?

IMO after the expansion draft is when TO would be looking to go all in for the remaining 2/3 seasons they have the 4 locked up, but hey it could always open a little more prior to that depending on what players could fall in the leafs lap

Keep in mind that Andersen and Rielly need extensions...

ANd then Sandin...

And Matthew becomes a UFA??

Also, Tavares will be slowing down

and didn't/don't have 2019-2020 1st pick.. SO it'll be harder to hit on good NHL players.

I personally think that their best window is in the next 2/3 season..

I've kept all that in mind, they move out Kerfoot, Kapenen, and Johnsson and that's 10 million to split between Rielly and Freddie - Freddie won't get more than 8 ( partly why they acquired Campbell) Rielly could hit 9 million the way D are getting these days. Expansion draft is end of next season unless I'm wrong which puts both you and I off a year in agreement - cap is estimated to be north of 90 million after the expansion draft and new tv deal which makes having Marner locked at 11 for another 2 years along with Taveras more than reasonable, all those 3 year bridge deals the other RFAs took will be up just as that cap rises and prices are based on a percentage of the cap, that puts Tkchuck/Mier/Point etc at around the 12/14 million mark while Nylander Matthews are still under contract for another year and Marner and Tavares are under contract for 2. There is room and it would be foolish to move a Marner or Nylander or Matthews and not get a Seth Jones back locked in at 5/8 million for 6/7 years

Not at all. I'm being realistic. Nurse is worth way more than Dermott, and I'd say Bouchard is worth more than Kapanen due to positional need and ceiling. He has 1RD upside, Kapanen doesn't touch that sort of value.

You cannot make a statement that you are being realistic and ignore a comp that happened like 3 days ago. So you are either not being realistic, and can rely on whatever fictitious value system you'd like OR try and be realistic and realize that even if the Oilers have positional needs to fill, or whatever, value is value on the open market. The Oilers want a young top-6 with control, they are going to have to pay up. Dermott's value is a little bit more intriguing and also harder to point, since defenders take longer to develop than forwards, usually.

What comp happened "like 3 days ago" that involved a prospect of Bouchard's caliber? Or a young defenseman of Nurse's caliber? There wasn't one. Stop dreaming about getting another team's top-shelf players for your middling /mediocre players.

Wow. You couldnt be more wrong. Kapanen is overrated and nurse is worth more than either player, as Bouchard is. Why would Oilers make this trade. I dont think you know anything about hockey. Oilers are going to trade a top pairing defenseman and a prospect likely better than sandin or lilgren, or at least similar in value, for a 3rd pairing defenseman and a 20 goal scorer currently on a 3rd line with a bad attitude. I dont think you have a clue. Broberg and Bouchard would go for nylander straight across. Nylander has no where near the value you think he has. Nurse and Bouchard are getting marner. Use your head before you post.

You guys are so off. Nurse and Bouchard have more value alone than either one of dermott or kapanen alone. So why would they do this. Oilers wouldnt even do nurse or Bouchard for both. Just ridiculous. Kapanen is worse Larsson and JP. Maybe get a 2nd max as well. Stop over valuing leafs players. Bouchard projects way higher than any of these guys. Wow.

Takes 2 to overvalue. You are telling us that Kap is maybe a 2nd max while hes a Top 9 Forward on a solid contract? Have you actually seen the deals in the past week? Bottom Middle pair UFA's are worth 2 2nds atm. Coleman just got an A grade prospect & a 1st while having similar numbers to Kapanen??? You are telling leaf fans to stop over valuing players while as an Oiler fan are over valuing your players????

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The most common comparable for Evan Bouchard is John Carlson. This is how they performed in their D+2 season.

John Carlson

AHL 48-4-35-39
NHL 22-1-5-6

Evan Bouchard D+2

AHL 50-7-26-33

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Bouchard was recalled today. The Oilers have 23 games left.

I should probably add that it's a sellers market when it comes to acquiring the higher echelon of NHL-caliber of talent. So, if in a sellers market Coleman is worth a 1st plus a A/B+ prospect, then Kapanen, who is younger, significantly more skilled and still has untapped potential, and who gives team more contract control, gets you more than that. And if in this sellers Kapanen = 2020 1st and Bouchard, then I would argue Dermott + that 1st would equal Nurse. Would be a plenty fair deal in both directions, whether Oilers fan believed that or not.