it's not an excuse. it's the truth. Hornqvist has never ever been remotly the best player on any of the successful NHL teams. Pretending he is some sort of catalyst to the Pens winning the cup over better players is laughable. He won cups because he was on very good teams and insulated by better players and elite goaltending that got hot at the right time.

If he was as important as you are pretending he is you wouldnt trade him for Marner. You really gotta stop trying to tapdance your way around this offer being horrific, because it's not going to happen.
And your favourite player will never be a Pen

lol, sure bahd

you've said a lot of dumb things, but this might be the best of the lot. Literally every team in the league would take Marner. all of em.

So you essentially trade a 22 year old Marner for a 33 year old soon to be regressing Patrik Hornqvist, Plus a 32 year old Jack Johnson that's not worth his salary. Some college kid that wont probably pan out plus late picks. So yeah that makes tons of sense.

lmao what? "Pretending he is some sort of catalyst to the pens winning the cup over better players" Very laughable. Would love to hear your reasoning for that idiotic statement

I thought you said you had good comprehension?
This is a very very very simple statement. Hornqvist was not, ever, remotley, close to even in the conversation for being a top 5 player on either cup team he played on. He was a complimentary player to much better, much more important players. Did he play well? sure, but he was not a driving factor in either win.
I hope that was simple enough for you

You cant be this dumb lmao. You said we wasn't any sort of catalyst for the team, and I said to prove why he wasn't. Jesus you actually are stupid. At first it was a joke, but man, you really are stupid.

good lord. He wasnt a top 5 player on his team during either run, that means he wasnt a catalyst to the cup wins.
you know what a catalyst is right? a person or thing that precipitates an event, so if he was, at best, the 6th player to precipitate (IE Cause) the cup win, then he was not the catalyst.
Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, MAF, Murray, Letang. even guys like Kunitz, Geuntzel or Bonino deserve significantly more credit for the cup wins than Hornqvist does.

please, prove me wrong

Not every team man. I can’t imagine they want to give up valuable pieces for 11 million dollar player.

I retained half of Johnson’s salary. So it’s worth it!

Sure, but how many would take his contract?

Hornqvist was bigger than Bonino & Kunitz. He scored the goal that finished the cup finals in 2016 & the winning goal in 2017. That’s huge!

lmao what kind of reasoning is that? Who do you think constantly goes to the net? Who do you think is the one always fighting for 50/50 pucks in the corner to give it to crosby? Who do you think is the physical player on the crosby line? You dont watch penguins games to understand what he actually did, which is 100% fine. But dont make stupid claims like that without any knowledge. He was a huge part and that was why he was rewarded with his current contract.

I never said every team would pay the price asked, i just said that every team would love to have Mitch Marner, were it possible. Some teams cant afford him, some teams dont have the cap space, but that doesnt mean they wouldnt love to have him.
And literally every team would take him if they could. And if the price was as low as you are pretending it was, he'd be on another team already. If Marner was available for trade every team in the NHL would find a way to fit the 'over payment' of 1.5 million on marner's contract under the cap.

Jack Johnson is a negative asset even at 50% salary retained.

all of them

I watch lots of pens games, especially those cup runs.
he wasnt near as important as any of those players mentioned. he just wasnt.

So which players were more physical, going to the net more, battling for the pucks in the corner to give it to crosby and malkin? You know, the things Hornqvist was there to do

no, he wasnt, but lets pretend he was. for argument's sake. He still wasnt more important than the other 6 guys

i dont care who was more physical, that's not the point im making. Crosby, Malkin, Letang, the goalies and Kessel (at least) were more important and significantly bigger reasons why the Pens won.
that is the point, and if you think otherwise then i really wonder if you have ever watched a second of either of those pens teams in your life

"He wasn't a catalyst for the wins" Meaning he never had any sort of huge affect on the game, right?

Wrong.

actually, the quote was "Pretending he is some sort of catalyst to the Pens winning the cup over better players". So, like those 6 players i keep talking about. Seriously dude, read better.

nah, they would for sure. Now Could they? that's an interesting argument that would need to be made on a team by team basis because you would have to factor in value going the other way, need vs the payment kind of stuff. etc.
But yes every team in the NHL, if they had a way to fit him in (and most would be able to find a way if they could pay the price otherwise) would fit him in

Actually, the quote was " He wasnt a top 5 player on his team during either run, that means he wasnt a catalyst to the cup wins". So back to my question, do you think he never had any sort of huge affect on the game?.... Seriously dude, read better