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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 29, 2020
Published: Mar. 29, 2020
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I feel the Leafs should trade for Patric Hornqvist. Although he’s a bit older, he is still very effective. He’s the perfect example of the type of player you need in order to win in the playoffs. A warrior who checks aggressively, takes hits, draws penalties & goes to the dirty areas. Leafs need more of that.
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Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:45 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
no, because i am being purposefully pedantic for no reason other than to be combative like someone else. He hasnt consistently scored 17 goals either. he has a different number than that most years


Do I need to spell it out for you lmao because I do not think you get it. The original comment was "pittsburghs trash" meaning their spare parts. Thats not the same as a trash offer. I simply said some of the pieces in the offer are not "pittsburghs trash". Never did I say that they have value to get Marner. I dont care about "relative to a marner trade", because thats not what im talking about.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Hornqvist is a really good player. Have you watched him play? Teams hate to play against him cuz of how aggressive he is. Best net front guy in the league. Johnson is not really a good defenseman anymore but he will be fine in a third pair role as long as he as a mobile partner, which Jokiharu is.


Hornqvist can be a good player and still not be remotly close to enough to Marner to be a centerpiece in a trade for him. this is hilariously bad value for the Leafs. and yes, ive seen Hornqvist play, id ask if you'd seen marner play, but it's obvious you want him on your team so i say you have
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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@MitchMarnerElite is a pens fan. He is not near leafs fan. More like a pens Marner fan.
Its like me liking the leafs and liking Patrick Kane but not Chicago


You are correct but that doesn’t mean this trade is trash.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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Do I need to spell it out for you lmao because I do not think you get it. The original comment was "pittsburghs trash" meaning their spare parts. Thats not the same as a trash offer. I simply said some of the pieces in the offer are not "pittsburghs trash". Never did I say that they have value to get Marner. I dont care about "relative to a marner trade", because thats not what im talking about.


clearly you need it spelled out for you. the post was "Marner for Pittsburghs trash" implying that it was trash in a trade for Marner, the point was then clarified to you. this is very simple stuff here.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
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You are correct but that doesn’t mean this trade is trash.


the trade being trash means the trade is trash
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:50 p.m.
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Hornqvist is a 20 goal guy, what are you watching? Since coming to Pittsburgh, he’s been at a 20 goal pace every season.


why is reading so hard for Pens fans?
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:52 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Hornqvist can be a good player and still not be remotly close to enough to Marner to be a centerpiece in a trade for him. this is hilariously bad value for the Leafs. and yes, ive seen Hornqvist play, id ask if you'd seen marner play, but it's obvious you want him on your team so i say you have


Yes Marner is better than Hornqvist but that’s not the point of this ACGM. The point is that Hornqvist’s skillset fits the Leafs’ needs better.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:52 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
clearly you need it spelled out for you. the post was "Marner for Pittsburghs trash" implying that it was trash in a trade for Marner, the point was then clarified to you. this is very simple stuff here.


You cant be this stupid lol "pittsburghs trash" and a "trash trade offer" and 2 separate things. Thats like me saying a Tavares for Crosby trade is Torontos trash for Crosby
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
why is reading so hard for Pens fans?


You realize not everyone who comments needs to have any relation or reference to Marner? You are struggling big time to understand that
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:54 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Yes Marner is better than Hornqvist but that’s not the point of this ACGM. The point is that Hornqvist is better than Marner in aspects that the Leafs need.


no he isnt, because literally no hockey team needs what Hornqvist brings over what Marner brings. Literally no one. You dont get to pay hamburger prices for steak because the other guy says he likes hamburgers
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:54 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Yes Marner is better than Hornqvist but that’s not the point of this ACGM. The point is that Hornqvist’s skillset fits the Leafs’ needs better.


What? We need defense not offense.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
the trade being trash means the trade is trash


That’s your opinion. A hardworking sandpaper winger, a top prospect, a 1st, 2nd & decent third pairing defenseman is a significant offer.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:56 p.m.
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
You realize not everyone who comments needs to have any relation or reference to Marner? You are struggling big time to understand that


Buddy. Is Hornqvist a drug for you guys. A 17 goal scorer at 5.3mil is bad.
Your just throwing junk at us and you know this trade is good so you keep saying honrqvist is good so leaf fans can say yes
Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Yes Marner is better than Hornqvist but that’s not the point of this ACGM. The point is that Hornqvist’s skillset fits the Leafs’ needs better.


You just want Marner to be on your favourite team. He ain't going to be traded to the east. Only the west
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
no he isnt, because literally no hockey team needs what Hornqvist brings over what Marner brings. Literally no one. You dont get to pay hamburger prices for steak because the other guy says he likes hamburgers


Then why does Horny have 2 cups whereas Marner hasn’t even made it past the first round yet?
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:57 p.m.
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You cant be this stupid lol "pittsburghs trash" and a "trash trade offer" and 2 separate things. Thats like me saying a Tavares for Crosby trade is Torontos trash for Crosby


you do realise i made this exact same comparison at the start of the conversation?

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You realize not everyone who comments needs to have any relation or reference to Marner? You are struggling big time to understand that


ah, yes, reading. hard.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:58 p.m.
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Then why does Horny have 2 cups whereas Marner hasn’t even made it past the first round yet?


Sidney Crosby and Phil Kessel, little bit of MAF and Murray

Why does Glenn Healy have a cup and connor mcdavid doesnt?
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:59 p.m.
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What? We need defense not offense.


By moving Marner, I made it possible to generate the cap space to bring Gudas, a great shutdown defenseman, Jokiharju, a great 2 way guy & Maroon, an excellent defensive Forward. Maroon-Kerfoot-Engvall gives you a legit checking & shutdown line. How is this team not better than the current one that is struggling to make the playoffs? It’s way more balanced.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 12:59 p.m.
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Buddy. Is Hornqvist a drug for you guys. A 17 goal scorer at 5.3mil is bad.
Your just throwing junk at us and you know this trade is good so you keep saying honrqvist is good so leaf fans can say yes



So using that same logic you just said, a 16 goal scorer making double must be a worse contract then. Right? Or do you think it makes more sense to look at more than just the goal totals? lol so stupid
Mar. 29, 2020 at 1:01 p.m.
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That’s your opinion. A hardworking sandpaper winger, a top prospect, a 1st, 2nd & decent third pairing defenseman is a significant offer.


no it isnt. it really isnt.
a ok 2nd liner who is well past peak and makes too much for too long, a prospect that was so good he never got drafted, a super late 20's pick and a super late 50s pick is a garbage offer for Mitch Marner.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 1:02 p.m.
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By moving Marner, I made it possible to generate the cap space to bring Gudas, a great shutdown defenseman, Jokiharju, a great 2 way guy & Maroon, an excellent defensive Forward. Maroon-Kerfoot-Engvall gives you a legit checking & shutdown line. How is this team not better than the current one that is struggling to make the playoffs? It’s way more balanced.


the pens should trade crosby for a pile of dog puke for the same reasons. think of the cap savings!
Mar. 29, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
you do realise i made this exact same comparison at the start of the conversation?


Just because they dont have value to acquire someone, doesnt mean they are "torontos trash" lmao
Mar. 29, 2020 at 1:18 p.m.
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Buddy. Is Hornqvist a drug for you guys. A 17 goal scorer at 5.3mil is bad.
Your just throwing junk at us and you know this trade is good so you keep saying honrqvist is good so leaf fans can say yes


You just want Marner to be on your favourite team. He ain't going to be traded to the east. Only the west


Why would Marner get traded to the West? There’s not a team that would want him except maybe Edmonton cuz he doesn’t fit their heavy style.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 1:21 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Sidney Crosby and Phil Kessel, little bit of MAF and Murray

Why does Glenn Healy have a cup and connor mcdavid doesnt?


You can’t use that as an excuse. Marner has had guys like Matthews, Tavares, Rielly & Andersen. He has elite teammates. Hornqvist suits their needs better.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 1:22 p.m.
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the pens should trade crosby for a pile of dog puke for the same reasons. think of the cap savings!


It’s a little different. Crosby is on a great contract. Marner’s on a poor one & its killing the team.
Mar. 29, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.
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