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Cap goes down-buyout

Created by: Torontoleafs15
Initial Creation Date: Apr 1, 2020
Published: Apr 1 at 12:15 pm
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya1$1,250,000
Dermott, Travis2$2,250,000
Malgin, Denis2$700,000
Gauthier, Frédérik2$700,000
Bracco, Jeremy2$700,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$700,000
Thornton, Joe1$700,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Barabanov, Alexander1$925,000
Trades
TOR
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (SJS)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (COL)
OTT
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
TOR
  1. Mayfield, Scott
  2. Boychuk, Johnny
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (NYI)
NYI
    TOR
      ANA
      1. Boychuk, Johnny
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      TOR
      1. 2022 2nd round pick (DAL)
      DAL
      1. Johnsson, Andreas
      Buyouts
      • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
      Retained Salary Transactions
      • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
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      TOR
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      VGK
      TOR
      CAR
      COL
      SJS
      STL
      WPG
      2021
      TOR
      TOR
      SJS
      TOR
      COL
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      2022
      TOR
      TOR
      DAL
      TOR
      NYI
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      22$78,000,000$77,933,533$0$0$66,467
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      TOR
      Hyman, Zach
      $2,250,000
      LW
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      TOR
      Matthews, Auston
      $11,634,000
      C
      UFA - 4
      TOR
      Marner, Mitchell
      $10,893,000
      RW
      UFA - 5
      TOR
      Mikheyev, Ilya
      $1,250,000
      LW, RW
      RFA
      TOR
      Tavares, John
      $11,000,000
      C
      NMC
      UFA - 5
      TOR
      Nylander, William
      $6,962,366
      RW, LW
      UFA - 4
      TOR
      Engvall, Pierre
      $1,250,000
      LW, RW
      RFA - 2
      Barabanov, Alexander
      $925,000
      TOR
      Kapanen, Kasperi
      $3,200,000
      RW
      RFA - 2
      TOR
      Gauthier, Frédérik
      $700,000
      C
      RFA
      TOR
      Spezza, Jason
      $700,000
      C, RW
      UFA
      Thornton, Joe
      $700,000
      C
      UFA
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      TOR
      Rielly, Morgan
      $5,000,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      NYI
      Mayfield, Scott
      $1,450,000
      RD
      UFA - 3
      TOR
      Andersen, Frederik
      $5,000,000
      G
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      TOR
      Muzzin, Jake
      $5,625,000
      LD
      NMC
      UFA - 4
      TOR
      Holl, Justin
      $2,000,000
      RD
      NTC
      UFA - 3
      TOR
      Campbell, Jack
      $1,650,000
      G
      UFA - 2
      TOR
      Sandin, Rasmus
      $894,167
      LD
      RFA - 2
      TOR
      Dermott, Travis
      $2,250,000
      LD
      RFA
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      TOR
      Marincin, Martin
      $700,000
      LD
      UFA - 1
      TOR
      Malgin, Denis
      $700,000
      RW, C
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      Apr 1 at 12:22
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      and why do the islanders do this?
      Apr 1 at 12:23
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      So the cap goes down....it goes down for all teams. There would be so few buyers and so many sellers trying to get rid of their "Johnssons", he won't fetch a second. Gee you might be not be rid of him at all.
      Salaries for all players will go as negotiated between the owner and NHLPA...but that is tough to show in the CF format.
      Apr 1 at 12:23
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      Quoting: coga16
      and why do the islanders do this?


      Cuz they’re able to get rid of Ladd and Boychuk for a combined 11 mill. If the cap goes down, it will be hard to re-sign Barzal and Pulock unless they do this
      Apr 1 at 12:24
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      Cuz they’re able to get rid of Ladd and Boychuk for a combined 11 mill. If the cap goes down, it will be hard to re-sign Barzal and Pulock unless they do this


      they arent getting Mayfield though, that defeats the purpose of the move. you will get draft picks not very good cheap roster players for a buyout that does not impact a teams Cap.
      Apr 1 at 12:53
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      Quoting: coga16
      they arent getting Mayfield though, that defeats the purpose of the move. you will get draft picks not very good cheap roster players for a buyout that does not impact a teams Cap.


      They got Dobson, Toews, Pudlock and Adam for their defense. Mayfield would be a 5th
      Apr 1 at 1:26
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      Quoting: Torontoleafs15
      They got Dobson, Toews, Pudlock and Adam for their defense. Mayfield would be a 5th


      and that means what? They just can give him away? Not happening. If they need to make room bc they have talent onto way they can get good assets for him not just throw him into a buyout trade
      Apr 1 at 1:34
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      Quoting: coga16
      and that means what? They just can give him away? Not happening. If they need to make room bc they have talent onto way they can get good assets for him not just throw him into a buyout trade


      Lol what? Were not gonna buyout Boychuk for free you know? Mayfield is what we will take if were buying out Boychuk
      Apr 1 at 1:56
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      Quoting: Torontoleafs15
      Lol what? Were not gonna buyout Boychuk for free you know? Mayfield is what we will take if were buying out Boychuk


      no it wont, thats a homer look at things. His salary goes down to 1.25m the next 2 years, actual dollars to buy him out is cheap. Actually look at what a buyout would look like before you take a crack at this and keep on saying its 6m cap hit to buyout

      Youre dreaming if you think you can get a valuable roster player for low doallas to buyout with no cap issues with it
      Apr 1 at 1:58
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      Quoting: coga16
      no it wont, thats a homer look at things. His salary goes down to 1.25m the next 2 years, actual dollars to buy him out is cheap.
      Youre dreaming if you think you can get a valuable roster player for low doallas to buyout with no cap issues with it


      I seriously don't know what your talking about.
      We will use our free compliance buyout on Boychuck. The islanders will use it on Ladd
      Apr 1 at 2:00
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      Quoting: Torontoleafs15
      I seriously don't know what your talking about.
      We will use our free compliance buyout on Boychuck. The islanders will use it on Ladd


      actual dollars to buy his salary out...follow along you need to still pay them money. the actual dollars to buy him out is next to nothing. Teams will easily take on a CBO, Toronto isnt the only team who can do it, nor would it cost Islanders a valuable roster player to do it.

      You are assuming the cost for buying out Boychuck is a homer value back in mayfield to the leafs. You will get draft picks not roster players
      and this is a moot point bc there wont be a CBO, this is just this websites wet dream obsession right now
      Apr 1 at 2:27
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      Quoting: coga16
      actual dollars to buy his salary out...follow along you need to still pay them money. the actual dollars to buy him out is next to nothing. Teams will easily take on a CBO, Toronto isnt the only team who can do it, nor would it cost Islanders a valuable roster player to do it.

      You are assuming the cost for buying out Boychuck is a homer value back in mayfield to the leafs. You will get draft picks not roster players
      and this is a moot point bc there wont be a CBO, this is just this websites wet dream obsession right now


      Buddy I know that. Nobody is gonna buy out players for free.
      Just because your an avs fan and your a team without anyone to buyout doesn't mean you have to get mad. Taking these bad contracts aren't free
      Apr 1 at 2:31
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      Quoting: Torontoleafs15
      Buddy I know that. Nobody is gonna buy out players for free.
      Just because your an avs fan and your a team without anyone to buyout doesn't mean you have to get mad. Taking these bad contracts aren't free


      im just pointing out you are vast over valuing the cost to do a CBO, you are trying to convince yourself that you are goign to get a very helpful roster player.
      No team is going to pay that price bc other teams will do it for draft capital instead, especially for a player that doesnt cost a team a lot of actual salary money to do it.
      Apr 1 at 3:33
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      Quoting: coga16
      they arent getting Mayfield though, that defeats the purpose of the move. you will get draft picks not very good cheap roster players for a buyout that does not impact a teams Cap.


      From the perspective of an Islanders fan, I don't hate it anymore. Dobson is more than ready for top-6 minutes and re-signing our RFAs is objective #1 this offseason. But with Bode Wilde being a year or two away still, I'm not thrilled about trading Mayfield, who is young, cheap and has played really well this year. But I could be willing to part with him if we used some of the money saved on another guy in free agency or something.

      Between Boychuk and Ladd, I don't know who the Isles use a CBO on if they only have 1. Ladd's contact is manageable if it's buried, while Boychuk is currently burying our best prospect. But if they wound up with a proxy 2nd one for a relatively reasonable price (which this is imo), I wouldn't necessarily be upset.
      Apr 1 at 3:39
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      Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
      From the perspective of an Islanders fan, I don't hate it anymore. Dobson is more than ready for top-6 minutes and re-signing our RFAs is objective #1 this offseason. But with Bode Wilde being a year or two away still, I'm not thrilled about trading Mayfield, who is young, cheap and has played really well this year. But I could be willing to part with him if we used some of the money saved on another guy in free agency or something.

      Between Boychuk and Ladd, I don't know who the Isles use a CBO on if they only have 1. Ladd's contact is manageable if it's buried, while Boychuk is currently burying our best prospect. But if they wound up with a proxy 2nd one for a relatively reasonable price (which this is imo), I wouldn't necessarily be upset.


      I just dont think you have to trade mayfield to get rid of Boychuck in a CBO option. You can still move Mayfield but you can gain assets for him, not burn him and a 3rd to make Boychuk go away
      Apr 1 at 6:04
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      Quoting: coga16
      I just dont think you have to trade mayfield to get rid of Boychuck in a CBO option. You can still move Mayfield but you can gain assets for him, not burn him and a 3rd to make Boychuk go away


      Under normal circumstances, I would totally agree. This specific scenario would need a lot to go right in order to happen; Islanders would have to realize that there would be no way for them to sign everyone, plus make needed upgrades without some major money moves, while the Leafs would have to be content enough with all of their contracts not to use their CBO on someone they already have. The Islanders would have to make it worth Toronto's while, considering all of the money Boychuk is still owed ($8 million over two seasons).

      Maybe to make it work the Islanders would get an actually asset back rather than just a 7th in three years. Because you're right, as things stand in this scenario the Leafs stand to gain somewhat more than NYI does.
      Apr 1 at 6:23
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      Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
      Under normal circumstances, I would totally agree. This specific scenario would need a lot to go right in order to happen; Islanders would have to realize that there would be no way for them to sign everyone, plus make needed upgrades without some major money moves, while the Leafs would have to be content enough with all of their contracts not to use their CBO on someone they already have. The Islanders would have to make it worth Toronto's while, considering all of the money Boychuk is still owed ($8 million over two seasons).

      Maybe to make it work the Islanders would get an actually asset back rather than just a 7th in three years. Because you're right, as things stand in this scenario the Leafs stand to gain somewhat more than NYI does.


      just looking at his buyout in actually monies, its something like 400k for the next 4 years? Its not a lot bc it drops off signficantly salary wise the final 2 years. Bc of the no cap penalty teams can just take that on for like a couple draft picks IMO, sure gives us a couple picks and we will use our buyout but only spend 1m-2m in actual real dollars to do so.

      Unless I am really missing something looking at the buyout breakdown
      Apr 1 at 8:53
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      Quoting: coga16
      just looking at his buyout in actually monies, its something like 400k for the next 4 years? Its not a lot bc it drops off signficantly salary wise the final 2 years. Bc of the no cap penalty teams can just take that on for like a couple draft picks IMO, sure gives us a couple picks and we will use our buyout but only spend 1m-2m in actual real dollars to do so.

      Unless I am really missing something looking at the buyout breakdown


      I didn’t know no-penalty buyouts worked the same way tbh, so that’s helpful thanks. I figured that they had to pay the remainder of the salary, maybe over more time, as like a trade-off for no cap penalty (which in hindsight makes no sense).

      It’s still real money Toronto has to pay but 1. It’s not too much and 2. It’s Toronto, they’ll be fine. But the Islanders still have to pay a price, whether or not that’s Mayfield I guess is up for debate.

      Again, I’d be willing to do that trade as is, so long as Toronto sends a legitimate asset back. Not sure what that would be, but they have some decent minor leaguers idk
      Apr 5 at 1:30
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      Not bad but I say toronto returns a 4th round pick back and just takes mayfield as the offer for buying out boychuck
       
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