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A reasonable take on next season

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 17, 2020
Published: May 17, 2020
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Doesn't have to be Edmonton but several teams could use some scoring help for a reasonable price with term.
Free Agent Signings
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2$1,750,000
2$1,050,000
2$2,000,000
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1$700,000
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  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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22$81,500,000$80,771,450$0$0$728,550
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
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C, LW
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
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$821,667$821,667
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
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RW
UFA - 2
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
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$700,000$700,000
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$925,000$925,000
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
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UFA - 4
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
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UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
LD
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May 17, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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Mango's not worth that much
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May 17, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.
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Quoting: matthewthegreat
Mango's not worth that much


He's a player with speed who can defend and is 20 goal 40 point man on average. Pulli is 1st round bust who wants to be traded. Argue the extra but all leaf players aren't worthless.
May 17, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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what is the point of trading for Jesse when you don't even use him?
May 17, 2020 at 12:03 p.m.
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Why do you think Dermott who has played more NHL games gets less money than Mikheyev?
May 17, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
He's a player with speed who can defend and is 20 goal 40 point man on average. Pulli is 1st round bust who wants to be traded. Argue the extra but all leaf players aren't worthless.


I'm a leafs fan but he's coming off of a surgery and has had an ok season filled with injury
May 17, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
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No way Dermott signs so low. Also the team is worse than last year. Offense downgraded and Gauthier is overpaid.
May 17, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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That's a ridiculous trade. Holland would never go for that. Try moving the 2nd over to Edmonton's side for starters.
May 17, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
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EDM has no interest in taking back salary on Puljujarvi. They gave up two 2nd rd picks for Athanasiou which means the plan was to sign him - which makes your trade even LESS likely.
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May 17, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
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That's a ridiculous trade. Holland would never go for that. Try moving the 2nd over to Edmonton's side for starters.


I'd say a better trade is Kerfoot for JP+4th+5th.

Kerfoot= 2 3rds, seems legit
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May 17, 2020 at 12:37 p.m.
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For this upcoming year, Johnsson will not get you one of those pieces, never mind both. Johnsson is not a 20 goal scorer on average, he has only played in the league 2 years, first year he got exactly 20, and last year was on pace for about 14 goals, including empty net goals. He is undersized, and cannot drive offense himself, he needs elite talent to excel. This year he played on a 3rd line with other 3rd liners and showed he is nothing special. On top of that, he is coming off a major injury. With the upcoming season in the NHL likely being a flat cap, he is certainly not a reasonable price for the role he is in, he is overpaid. I do agree he is the most likely the player to move so the team can become cap compliant (i.e. that makes him a cap dump). Other teams know that, and most other teams cannot afford to take on a 3rd line winger with that cap hit. He is not worthless, but he is not worth very much for the upcoming year based on all these factors. You are likely looking at a 2021 4th or 5th round pick if you want to trade him this year.
May 17, 2020 at 1:51 p.m.
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For this upcoming year, Johnsson will not get you one of those pieces, never mind both. Johnsson is not a 20 goal scorer on average, he has only played in the league 2 years, first year he got exactly 20, and last year was on pace for about 14 goals, including empty net goals. He is undersized, and cannot drive offense himself, he needs elite talent to excel. This year he played on a 3rd line with other 3rd liners and showed he is nothing special. On top of that, he is coming off a major injury. With the upcoming season in the NHL likely being a flat cap, he is certainly not a reasonable price for the role he is in, he is overpaid. I do agree he is the most likely the player to move so the team can become cap compliant (i.e. that makes him a cap dump). Other teams know that, and most other teams cannot afford to take on a 3rd line winger with that cap hit. He is not worthless, but he is not worth very much for the upcoming year based on all these factors. You are likely looking at a 2021 4th or 5th round pick if you want to trade him this year.


That may be partially true, but teams like SJS have offered a lot more: Sorenson, 3rd, 5th. (Which is basically a 3rd, 4th, 5th.)
May 17, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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That may be partially true, but teams like SJS have offered a lot more: Sorenson, 3rd, 5th. (Which is basically a 3rd, 4th, 5th.)


I highly doubt SJS have offered that package since Johnsson got injured and Covid wiped out the rest of this season. Trades are based on the here and now, not in past seasons where parameters have completely changed. The few teams that can eat 3.4 million in cap space for an undersized, 3rd line winger right now will be offered multiple other trades with better assets as most of the teams need to dump cap space for next year. Those teams with cap space going into this off season will be dealing from a position of strength and should be able to get some really good assets in return for taking other team's cap dumps.

That is the problem I see with so many trade proposals on this site involving Johnsson, everyone is basing his worth on his single 20 goal season 2 years ago while playing with Toronto's elite forwards, and completely ignoring his current season playing on the 3rd line, having a serious injury, and the current economic climate of the NHL. He is still a serviceable player, but there are lots of other options on the market that can achieve exactly what he did this year , and at a much cheaper cost.
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May 17, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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I highly doubt SJS have offered that package since Johnsson got injured and Covid wiped out the rest of this season. Trades are based on the here and now, not in past seasons where parameters have completely changed. The few teams that can eat 3.4 million in cap space for an undersized, 3rd line winger right now will be offered multiple other trades with better assets as most of the teams need to dump cap space for next year. Those teams with cap space going into this off season will be dealing from a position of strength and should be able to get some really good assets in return for taking other team's cap dumps.

That is the problem I see with so many trade proposals on this site involving Johnsson, everyone is basing his worth on his single 20 goal season 2 years ago while playing with Toronto's elite forwards, and completely ignoring his current season playing on the 3rd line, having a serious injury, and the current economic climate of the NHL. He is still a serviceable player, but there are lots of other options on the market that can achieve exactly what he did this year , and at a much cheaper cost.


That is just based on what ACGM's have said.
May 17, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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I highly doubt SJS have offered that package since Johnsson got injured and Covid wiped out the rest of this season. Trades are based on the here and now, not in past seasons where parameters have completely changed. The few teams that can eat 3.4 million in cap space for an undersized, 3rd line winger right now will be offered multiple other trades with better assets as most of the teams need to dump cap space for next year. Those teams with cap space going into this off season will be dealing from a position of strength and should be able to get some really good assets in return for taking other team's cap dumps.

That is the problem I see with so many trade proposals on this site involving Johnsson, everyone is basing his worth on his single 20 goal season 2 years ago while playing with Toronto's elite forwards, and completely ignoring his current season playing on the 3rd line, having a serious injury, and the current economic climate of the NHL. He is still a serviceable player, but there are lots of other options on the market that can achieve exactly what he did this year , and at a much cheaper cost.


That is just based on what ACGM's have said.
May 17, 2020 at 4:09 p.m.
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what is the point of trading for Jesse when you don't even use him?


Clear salary and take a flyer on a young player. The Leafs are really good at developing players. Maybe he can get back on track. He certainly isn't going to waltz into the lineup, the guy would need to prove he has what it takes.
May 17, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.
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Why do you think Dermott who has played more NHL games gets less money than Mikheyev?


Dermott by all accounts has less leverage. He may have played more games but Mikheyev had very good stats prior to his injury. Dermott doesn't have arbitration and wasn't exactly lighting it up. He was less than Holl so getting more than Holl is unfair.
May 17, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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That's a ridiculous trade. Holland would never go for that. Try moving the 2nd over to Edmonton's side for starters.


How? What has Pulli done? Nothing, and then demanded a trade and lost a season playing in Europe. His value is minimal. A 1st round bust who won't play for you vs a proven middle 6 winger with speed and a team friendly contract is not leaning Edmonton's way.
May 17, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.
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EDM has no interest in taking back salary on Puljujarvi. They gave up two 2nd rd picks for Athanasiou which means the plan was to sign him - which makes your trade even LESS likely.


What if he doesn't sign?
May 17, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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I'd say a better trade is Kerfoot for JP+4th+5th.

Kerfoot= 2 3rds, seems legit


I'd give Kerfoot more time in TO. He can play centre with us more valuable than Johnsson.
May 17, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.
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For this upcoming year, Johnsson will not get you one of those pieces, never mind both. Johnsson is not a 20 goal scorer on average, he has only played in the league 2 years, first year he got exactly 20, and last year was on pace for about 14 goals, including empty net goals. He is undersized, and cannot drive offense himself, he needs elite talent to excel. This year he played on a 3rd line with other 3rd liners and showed he is nothing special. On top of that, he is coming off a major injury. With the upcoming season in the NHL likely being a flat cap, he is certainly not a reasonable price for the role he is in, he is overpaid. I do agree he is the most likely the player to move so the team can become cap compliant (i.e. that makes him a cap dump). Other teams know that, and most other teams cannot afford to take on a 3rd line winger with that cap hit. He is not worthless, but he is not worth very much for the upcoming year based on all these factors. You are likely looking at a 2021 4th or 5th round pick if you want to trade him this year.


Just cherry picking stats without ever watching him. Your whole comment is irrelevant.
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May 17, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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I highly doubt SJS have offered that package since Johnsson got injured and Covid wiped out the rest of this season. Trades are based on the here and now, not in past seasons where parameters have completely changed. The few teams that can eat 3.4 million in cap space for an undersized, 3rd line winger right now will be offered multiple other trades with better assets as most of the teams need to dump cap space for next year. Those teams with cap space going into this off season will be dealing from a position of strength and should be able to get some really good assets in return for taking other team's cap dumps.

That is the problem I see with so many trade proposals on this site involving Johnsson, everyone is basing his worth on his single 20 goal season 2 years ago while playing with Toronto's elite forwards, and completely ignoring his current season playing on the 3rd line, having a serious injury, and the current economic climate of the NHL. He is still a serviceable player, but there are lots of other options on the market that can achieve exactly what he did this year , and at a much cheaper cost.


Right what only matters is whatever makes you opinion seem more legit.
May 17, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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That is just based on what ACGM's have said.


Totally, opinion of fans means it's real.
May 17, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.
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Totally, opinion of fans means it's real.


Well in our little ACGM world yes. GM's are so much more knowlegbale then us and by that argument you could destroy every single ACGM on this site.
May 17, 2020 at 5:19 p.m.
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What if he doesn't sign?


That's funny. He's an RFA winger who is all but guaranteed to have McDavid or Draisaitl as a pivot. If he doesn't get the offer he wants he'll go to arbitration, take the one year deal, and pad his stats like crazy.
May 17, 2020 at 6:31 p.m.
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That's funny. He's an RFA winger who is all but guaranteed to have McDavid or Draisaitl as a pivot. If he doesn't get the offer he wants he'll go to arbitration, take the one year deal, and pad his stats like crazy.


Like when he was a rookie and a 2nd year player and couldn't out perform guys like Rattie? Pulli couldn't even perform in the AHL.
 
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