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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche

Initial Creation Date: May 31, 2020

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I don't necessarily think Strome is a perfect fit in Colorado, but I'm nonetheless curious to hear some thoughts about Strome as a potential playmaker next to Kadri and Burakovsky.

Personally I think that whilst Strome does have the speed and playmaking ability to keep up with fast players (eg. Panarin), it seems to me like Strome is a sub-0.5ppg player who's had one inflated year while getting tonnes of ice-time riding shotgun with Panarin. There are many tell-tale signs of this being a one-off career year for him, including:

- His career average is 0.52ppg. This season he's at 0.84 ppg.
- His last 6 seasons his points totals were 28, 30, 34, 35, 35, and 59....... Not hard to spot the outlier.
- This season he is being spoon-fed minutes with sheltered offensive minutes with 54.6 oZS% and 19:35 ATOI, by far the highest in his career.
- Shooting % in 2 years with Rangers is 15.4%, which is 5.1% higher than his career average.
- 104.4 PDO this season, which is 9th highest in the league among forwards with at least 50 games.
- He has raked in PP points playing with Panarin, Zibanejad, and Deangelo, with 14 PP assists. Before this season he had only 26 PP assists in 7 seasons combined.

All of those combined are signs of a player with heavily inflated stats, and it's unlikely that he'd be anything more than a 35-40 point player without PP1 time and tons of offensive ice time.

He's basically an offensive 3C or complimentary winger that depends a lot on linemates for production. Based on the stats above I doubt GM's are going to be lining up to acquire him to be the sucker that gives him a big raise, particularly as there's every chance that he reverts back to his Edmonton production if he doesn't get a lot of heavily sheltered offensive minutes.

That all said, whilst Colorado don't really need an offensive C, perhaps he'd be a fit as a complimentary winger on the 2nd line as the playmaker for two shooters in Kadri and Burakovsky. Maybe Strome would be worth a gamble if the ask was a 2nd + prospect or Zadorov 1-for-1, and if he's willing to sign for like $3.5m-ish x 2-3 years. Bear in mind that it will be a buyers market both in terms of trade value and contract negotiations.

Thoughts?

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Burakovsky, André	4	$5,000,000
Graves, Ryan	3	$2,750,000
Nichushkin, Valeri	2	$2,250,000
O'Connor, Logan	1	$925,000
Strome, Ryan	3	$3,750,000

Trades

COL

Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights]

NYR

Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]

COL

2020 2nd round pick (NYI)
2021 3rd round pick (OTT)

OTT

Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]

COL

2021 4th round pick (VAN)

VAN

Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$75,493,095	$0	$5,425,000	$6,006,905

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Landeskog, Gabriel $5,571,429$5,571,429 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 1	MacKinnon, Nathan $6,300,000$6,300,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C UFA - 5
Burakovsky, André $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Strome, Ryan $3,750,000$3,750,000 RW, C UFA - 2
Nichushkin, Valeri $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Compher, J.T. $3,500,000$3,500,000 C, RW UFA - 3	Donskoi, Joonas $3,900,000$3,900,000 RW UFA - 3
Calvert, Matt $2,850,000$2,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard $1,800,000$1,800,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Kaut, Martin $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) RW RFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Graves, Ryan $2,750,000$2,750,000 LD UFA - 3	Makar, Cale $880,833$880,833 ($2,500,000$2M) RD UFA - 1	Grubauer, Philipp $3,333,333$3,333,333 G UFA - 1
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 7	Johnson, Erik $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Francouz, Pavel $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 2
Byram, Bowen $894,167$894,167 ($2,500,000$2M) LD/RD RFA - 3	Cole, Ian $3,450,000$3,450,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
O'Connor, Logan $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
MacDonald, Jacob $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 2

May 31, 2020 at 8:41 a.m.

DirtyDangle

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no thanks to strome. he has three 30 point seasons followed by a 60 pt season when he's arbitration eligible. i'd rather not risk arbitration

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May 31, 2020 at 8:45 a.m.

Richard88

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

no thanks to strome. he has three 30 point seasons followed by a 60 pt season when he's arbitration eligible. i'd rather not risk arbitration

I agree, it would be a risk. You don't want to pay assets for him if it then turns out that he's going to be overpaid on a 1-2 year deal.

Note that one of the conditions for acquiring him in the description (as quoted below) is that he'd be willing to sign:

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"Maybe Strome would be worth a gamble if the ask was a 2nd + prospect or Zadorov 1-for-1, and if he's willing to sign for like $3.5m-ish x 2-3 years.

May 31, 2020 at 9:02 a.m.

DirtyDangle

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Quoting: Richard88

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"Maybe Strome would be worth a gamble if the ask was a 2nd + prospect or Zadorov 1-for-1, and if he's willing to sign for like $3.5m-ish x 2-3 years.

the problem with making him that offer is now that counts as a q.o. so strome now has the right to arbitration. i think he's likely to end up in arbitration and if he does i think he'll do pretty well for himself.

May 31, 2020 at 9:09 a.m.

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Rangers laugh in your face. This is just as bad as your proposals on HFBoards.

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May 31, 2020 at 9:12 a.m.

justaBoss

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COL adds. Not a fan of Strome but Zadorov, a 3rd pair D for a 60 point C (even if it's an outlier) is just too low of an offer

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May 31, 2020 at 10:08 a.m.

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All of these Strome haters are all wrong unfortunately. The old tmz scouting report no longer fits with Strome. He's a point magnet, big and solid. *He spent these years trying to gain his coaches trust, focusing on the defensive side and playing with crappy teams/linemates. Sure he has warts, yet he's arrived as a 55-70 pt 2-3c and if it wasn't for us being in cap hell, he'd be a keeper. Especially if he's only making this paltry 3.5m! He'll get his worth 5-5.5m. He's worth two 2nds, a bit more that Jost or Zad. Funny how at the start of the year people were laughing at NYR, TDa and Strome were busts, Zib was average... Don't try to tell me it was all Bread, I watch every game.

May 31, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.

Richard88

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

May 31, 2020 at 10:15 a.m.

Richard88

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Quoting: FreeTacosAreBestTacos

Rangers laugh in your face. This is just as bad as your proposals on HFBoards.

What do you think Strome would be worth on the trade market? As I said in the description I'm curious to hear people's thoughts as I'm not sure what Strome's valuation would be, even though there's a chance of him being overvalued due to a career outlier year.

May 31, 2020 at 10:16 a.m.

Richard88

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Quoting: justaBoss

COL adds. Not a fan of Strome but Zadorov, a 3rd pair D for a 60 point C (even if it's an outlier) is just too low of an offer

What would Colorado need to add on top of Zadorov?

May 31, 2020 at 10:22 a.m.

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Quoting: DoubleADoubleK

I think it's premature to say that he's "arrived" as a 55-70 point 2C. On a contender he doesn't get top PP time, so there's 14 assists gone. Maybe he gets like 4 PP assists on PP2, but that still bumps his points down to ~50 in 70 games. Combine that with the fact that he wouldn't be getting 19+ minutes a night on the top unit with a PPG EV star like Panarin elsewhere and that's a recipe for overvaluation if he's traded.

Rangers are probably better off keeping him because it's unlikely that another GM pays what Rangers fans want. Unless you mean that he's worth something like Zadorov + 3rd or something like that.

May 31, 2020 at 10:55 a.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

What would Colorado need to add on top of Zadorov?

take Staal and Smith while adding a 1st.

Honestly, why would you think the Rangers would do this, especially if he's signing for 3.75m?

May 31, 2020 at 11:02 a.m.

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justaBoss

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Quoting: Richard88

What would Colorado need to add on top of Zadorov?

How about...

Colorado Avalanche

Ryan Strome
Brendan Smith

New York Rangers

Nikita Zadorov
Vladislav Kamenev
2020 3rd round pick (TOR)

May 31, 2020 at 11:07 a.m.

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I don’t think he is a good fit with the Avs stylistically. Let’s just say none of the Strome brothers will ever be accused of being exceptional skaters, and regardless of what anybody says his production isn’t a function of him driving play. His 2 best pt production years Tavares and Panarin we’re line mates. Also there is typically a reason a guy gets traded 3 times before he is 25.

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May 31, 2020 at 11:19 a.m.

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Quoting: FreeTacosAreBestTacos

Rangers laugh in your face. This is just as bad as your proposals on HFBoards.

I consulted with threads about Ryan Strome on HFBoards before making this proposal, and there were many suggesting that he should get traded if he asks for closer to $5m in contract talks. There were also several fans (including Rangers fans) who said that his value is around a 2nd + prospect. Zadorov is worth a 2nd + 3rd so that seems like a fair swap based on some of the comments in the two threads below.

Below are some quotes from https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/will-ryan-strome-be-traded.2739991/

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He’s good with Panarin, mediocre elsewhere. Teams will recognize that and not pay what the Rangers will want for him. I think they end up keeping him because of that.

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Max 4 yrs 3.75 if he wants term or a bit mo for less term. Would prefer to deal for 2nd +.

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He's not that versatile IMO. If he's not scoring he doesn't contribute much. He's not particularly responsible defensively, doesn't play a physical game. And his scoring has really only been good for one year, a lot of which he's played with an elite scorer having the best year of his career.

I guess it depends how we allocate the cap for the next few years, but I suspect he's going to want to be paid somewhat in line with this year's production and I think we can spend that money more wisely.

Below are some quotes from https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ryan-strome.2712493/page-3

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I think he could get a second round pick. He plays the wing as well and is an rfa sp it's not just a rental. In another 10 weeks it could look different and its possible the Rangers keep him as well.

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2 rounder plus a lower Line prospect.

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Strome's value is probably higher than it should be right now. NYR aren't at the bottom of the league right now. We're not far out from playoffs. It's early and the season can come crashing down at any point, but we can't toss it away by trading Strome right. It doesn't make sense because nobody is going to pay the price making it worth trading Strome. His value is a 2nd and mid-prospect/change of scenery player. Seems a bit pointless when we can probably trade him for a 2nd in the offseason if we don't sign him.

4.2 over 2/3 is probably the most I'd offer him. I'd try to get it for less, but I wouldn't go any higher.

Quoting: "tony d, post: 167179703, member: 56079"

A 2nd round pick should be the return for him.

Quoting: "Riseonfire, post: 167213981, member: 93537"

Whatever team signs him to a multi-year deal after this will regret it big time.

Enjoy it for now, sell him at the deadline for whatever you can get. 3rd rounder? 2nd if he keeps his play up??

May 31, 2020 at 11:20 a.m.

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Quoting: Josh

take Staal and Smith while adding a 1st.

Honestly, why would you think the Rangers would do this, especially if he's signing for 3.75m?

You want Colorado to take a capdump AND pay you a 1st, for a career 40 point center who's going to get overpaid in arbitration based on 1 good year? Good grief.

May 31, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.

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Quoting: Xqb15

Now, in fairness to him, one of those times was for Ryan Spooner, b/c Peter Chiarelli is an idiot.

Quoting: Richard88

What would Colorado need to add on top of Zadorov?

A 1st ideally, maybe a 2nd. Or to take one of Smith or Staal. Rangers at present have their E Draft slots filled on D with Lindgren, Trouba, DeAngelo. Zadorov is not a meaningful improvement over Lindgren, let alone the other 2. So we'd be trading a current 2C for a single year of a bottom 4 Dman. Who also will want a raise.

May 31, 2020 at 11:24 a.m.

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Richard88

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Quoting: justaBoss

How about...

Colorado Avalanche

Ryan Strome
Brendan Smith

New York Rangers

Nikita Zadorov
Vladislav Kamenev
2020 3rd round pick (TOR)

If you remove Brendan Smith and one of Kamenev/3rd it might be close to fair.

May 31, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.

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I'd say you're Strome offer is interesting if you add Jost.... but as it stands it's not in the ballpark.

May 31, 2020 at 11:28 a.m.

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Quoting: Xqb15

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of acquiring him, I was just curious to see what he would cost. Colorado are much better off aiming for someone who's a better fit even if it costs a little extra, especially given the return Rangers fans seem to think he should command (1st, capdump, etc..).

It's probably not worth the hassle to pay good assets for a guy with huge question marks who could also end up being an arbitration headache.

Rangers should probably sign him to a 2-3 year contract for as low as they can rather than trading him because nobody is going to meet their ask after an obviously inflated season.

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May 31, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

If you remove Brendan Smith and one of Kamenev/3rd it might be close to fair.

That's a no go then. There's too many 3rd pair LHDs in the league right now, Zadorov's trade value is not that high.

Strome's value is high after a great season. No point for NYR to sell him cheap.

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May 31, 2020 at 11:35 a.m.

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Richard88

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Quoting: Sagecoll

I'd say you're Strome offer is interesting if you add Jost.... but as it stands it's not in the ballpark.

I don't think I'd trade Jost for Strome. If Jost got to play 19+ minutes a night with one of Mackinnon or Rantanen along with getting time on PP1 with Mackinnon/Rantanen/Landeskog/Makar I'd think that he'd have a pretty good chance of putting up 55-60 points as well. Jost is also much better defensively than Strome. Maybe Jost + mid-round pick would be fair but I wouldn't include both Zadorov and Jost.

May 31, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.

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Quoting: justaBoss

That's a no go then. There's too many 3rd pair LHDs in the league right now, Zadorov's trade value is not that high.

Strome's value is high after a great season. No point for NYR to sell him cheap.

How many LHD's are there who are 6'6'' and good skaters, along with regularly being among the league leaders in hits?

May 31, 2020 at 11:48 a.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

How many LHD's are there who are 6'6'' and good skaters, along with regularly being among the league leaders in hits?

Apparently enough for Avs fans to constantly move him in every post.

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May 31, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.

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Quoting: justaBoss

Apparently enough for Avs fans to constantly move him in every post.

Avs fans (including me) would be delighted if Zadorov stayed. But the reality is that we need to make room for Byram next season, and Zadorov is an RFA this summer and would likely be exposed in the ED so he's the obvious candidate to move to make room for Byram. Particularly given that we also have Girard and Graves doing well in top 4 LHD roles too.

Needless to say we don't include Zadorov in trade proposals because he's a bad player, but simply because we have a gluttony of LHD's and see the writing on the wall, just as we saw the writing on the wall with Barrie/Kerfoot last summer when including them in tonnes of trade proposals.

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May 31, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.

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Quoting: justaBoss

That's a no go then. There's too many 3rd pair LHDs in the league right now, Zadorov's trade value is not that high.

Strome's value is high after a great season. No point for NYR to sell him cheap.

His value might be high relative to his career value is certainly at its highest since he was drafted, but that doesn't mean that his value on the market is going to be high. This offseason will likely be a buyers market in both trades and UFA due to the likely flat cap. There won't be many teams capable of taking on extra cap this offseason, and of those teams that have capspace few are going to want to take risks in trades and when signing contracts when there are less risky solutions in UFA or trade.

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