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Quoting: Shibbal18

yeah ones a top 6 forward one isnt

Dude you sound unbelievable unknowledgable. You should do some research before you comment incompetence on my ACGMs

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Buf had a literal eye issue with a goalie playing significant amount of games... yeah, dysfunctional system. But defense isn’t really that bad

Michael Hutchenson played like his knees were missing and Andersen forgot what a hockey puck was for 2 months. What's your point? Why is one group with a bunch of guys with bad defensive imacts a top 10 team and one of them has to trade a top liner for a number 4 guy every 3 trade proposals?

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Bf3351

Except Montour isn't a ****ty defenseman, he's a top 4 defenseman. The only point you've proved is how moronic you look right now.

Playing on Buffalo's top 4 does not mean he will play in the Leafs top 4. He is a 5th/6th defensemen at best.

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:04 p.m.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Jokiharju doesnt need to be sheltered, nor does Miller

yes, they do. Not like bottom pairing sheltered, but they cannot take on top line comp. They just cant, their numbers tanked when they faced tougher competition. That's the reason Miller looked so good before he got to buffalo and suddenly did not.

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

yeah ones a top 6 forward one isnt

they both are. if we are talking iaffalo, he is LA's 2nd best forward and would be a fairly strong top 6 option. He isn't to the same extent a point getter as some other top 6 forwards, but he can definitely hold his own... If I were BUF i'd try and develop him as their 2C

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Quoting: Bf3351

Dude you sound unbelievable unknowledgable. You should do some research before you comment incompetence on my ACGMs

you think Jonathan Quick is a good goaltender

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Buf had a literal eye issue with a goalie playing significant amount of games... yeah, dysfunctional system. But defense isn’t really that bad

I wouldn't waste your time with that idiot. He's on my block list for a reason. I think he gets his hockey knowledge from NHL 20 or something because the stuff that comes out of his mouth is usually wack and false.

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:07 p.m.

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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason

Playing on Buffalo's top 4 does not mean he will play in the Leafs top 4. He is a 5th/6th defensemen at best.

he's a slightly better jake gardiner. and he plays on the better side. given that jake was a top 4 guy, montour will be too.... He'd immediately be your third best defenseman. You're just talking down on him for the lone purpose of stirring trouble.

Justin Holl, an unseasoned Liljegren, a guy whose never played a game in the NHL in Lehtonen and Marincin are not even remotely close. I'd say Sandin has overall better potential, but immediately is worse.

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Bf3351

adorable.

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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason

Playing on Buffalo's top 4 does not mean he will play in the Leafs top 4. He is a 5th/6th defensemen at best.

I'll leave this one where it's at so people can laugh at what you just said. Have a good day

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:07 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

you think Jonathan Quick is a good goaltender

because he was? this is his first year of not being good... and his stats mostly reflect a nasty start. given the team in front of him, he remains a capable NHL starter. I think he would be good on a good team.

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:09 p.m.

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Jake Gardiner now? sure, Gardiner isnt very good anymore. Gardiner when he was good? before the back injury? Not even close, gardiner was a 40-50 point defender who could actually positivly impact shots and chances in his own zone. Montour isnt as good offensivly and has had one decent defensive season his entire career.
He's worse than Justin Holl right now

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Dont get sucked into this guys "Quick sucks" debate. He doesn't know anything about the Kings or Quick he just argues for the sake of arguing.

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Quick hasnt been 'good' in 2 years, he was even worse last season than he was this year. He's 34 years old and is basically cooked. He WAS good, he isnt now.

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Bf3351

Dude you sound unbelievable unknowledgable. You should do some research before you comment incompetence on my ACGMs

You havent brought anything statistical to youre argument just name calling

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.

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Quoting: Bf3351

Dont get sucked into this guys "Quick sucks" debate. He doesn't know anything about the Kings or Quick he just argues for the sake of arguing.

coward cant even address me directly.

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

your argument is essentially "if they aren't on the leafs, they are not good".

And no, i'm comparing him to Leafs gardiner, not canes gardiner.

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

coward cant even address me directly.

you're the one name calling? I'd rather be called "this guy" than a coward...

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.

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Quoting: Wqrrior

your argument is essentially "if they aren't on the leafs, they are not good".

And no, i'm comparing him to Leafs gardiner, not canes gardiner.

no, my argument is that Jake gardiner used to be very good before he got hurt and Brayden Montour has never been as good as Gardiner used to be. That has nothing to do with the Leafs, just the players.
Montour has been a decent top 4 option when he is playing well, Gardiner was a legitimate top pairing guy for several years with Toronto

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

You havent brought anything statistical to youre argument just name calling

You dont want to hear it though. Your mind is already made up and I'm not going to waste anymore time on you. Most Buffalo fans I've talked with like the idea of acquiring Iafallo and know he is a top 6 winger. So whether you believe that or not, I really don't care to tell you the truth.

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.

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Quoting: Wqrrior

you're the one name calling? I'd rather be called "this guy" than a coward...

I mean, he's called people idiots and questioned their intelligence multiple times in this thread, like its right there. And he blocked me because i disagreed with him and continues to take shots at me without addressing me directly. He's a coward.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

You havent brought anything statistical to youre argument just name calling

can we not just agree both ways that Iaffalo is a top 6 forward lol...

@Bf3351

i agree with most of the points you've made here, but you do bring up factual discussion a lot, but i don't think you've applied it to this case. Iaffalo is a top 6 forward on 90% of the teams in this league

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.

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they're stuck in their ways. if it isn't an offensive defenseman or a scoring forward the leafs have no interest. im surprised they don't play forwards on the blue line.

it's the most obvious need of this team and we all know it, but even in a fair value trade they play up this wacky argument so as to make teams think they don't need it so that they gotta pay more.

kapanen is by far this website's most overrated player. i don't care what leafs fans say... he is not being sold as a top 6 defenseman. He's worth a mid to high 2nd... montour still carries value in the first round range, and anyone with insight would call him the better player

Did you really say Montour is worth a first and Kapanen is worth a second? I know Vancouver fans are dumb but not this dumb.

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Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

you just said that montour is a decent top 4 option... he only dipped on BUF, which as I mentioned I think has much to do with a negative locker room atmosphere.

If you know montours value, whats with overassessing Kapanen.

If you are honest with other players value, why cant you be with your own? I mean hey, if he's worth more to the team just don't trade him.... but in an actual trade, he and montour pull even

Jun. 20, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.

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