By most metrics they were a top ten defense.. maybe look it up? They couldn’t score and this lost a lot of low scoring games

I disagree he was playing with their top line for 2 years and has topped out at 43 points at 26

And yet Only Joki has any possibility of bringing in a better player than Kapenen - if any of the other 3 could bring in a top 6 F that trade would of happened already - it's not Leafs Fans overvaluation of Kapenen (and yes we do, because we like the kid) - it's all other fan bases fascination with the Leafs desperate need for any RHD and any RHD would be a Top 4 in TO. In all honesty it's a waste of an Asset (Kapenen) to be moved for anything less than the price tag leaf management has set for Kapenen , as soon as you sell lower than your asking price than all your asking prices go out the window

over rated doesnt mean bad, Pesce is over rated because canes fans act like he deserves the kind of return you'd expect for Victor Hedman. Jokiharju is over rated for lots of reasons, fleecing or no he generated much worse numbers in Buffalo than he did in Chicago and Sabres fans act like he's a bonified top pairing guy. Strome is just hot new thing over rated because he ended the year strong.

Kapanen is a 2nd liner, full stop, like, i dont know what people think 2nd liners look like, but 45ish point players who can pot 20 goals when they are on the 2nd liner tier.
Heck, Kapenen was 35th in RW scoring for points and 45th for goals this year. Last season he was 34th on both. He's a 2nd liner, even when he plays most of his time on the 3rd line he produces like one.

That is false they had a good 5v5 defense, they were brought down by their PK and they had a goalie start 30 games that was statistically far worse than their other 34 game goalie and has just admitted he has an eye disease

Oh I get it now, you're just a little on the slow side. I'll get opinions from others.

Little slow? I'm showing the comparison from the Sabres perspective, but, if you don't understand analogies, your loss. No need to get upset though, you should go for a walk.

He came in at age 23 or 24 I believe. Topped out? The season was canceled, idiot.

11th in goals against, but sure. top 10 defence. I'd love to see these team metrics.

Kapanen would easily become Buffalo's second or third best player.

How do you compare a solid role player to a ****ty defenseman and aligne it with Kapanen for Montour? Yes, you are slow.

You proved my point. How do you compare Kapanen to a ****ty defensemen?

he was on pace for 50 points. Olofsson came in at 24 and was on pace for 72 in his first year

9th lowest 5v5. Their PK was brutal. 5v5 is a better way to measure a defensive unit, I think you’d agree. Everyone should. The game is played at 85/90% 5v5

i think this is more of a locker room issue than a player skill issue. this team just isn't clicking. they have a lot of talent but it's not being deployed right. Everyone appears to immediately drop off upon being traded here.

Except Montour isn't a ****ty defenseman, he's a top 4 defenseman. The only point you've proved is how moronic you look right now.

the Leafs allowed 7 more goals over 70 games, getting worse goaltending and everyone says the leafs are abysmal defensively and need to trade their forwards for every single RHD on the face of the earth at inflated rates.

this is a laughable assessment.

Two different kinds of players. Your argument is bad and you know it holds no weight.

Lol no he wouldn’t. Try 5 tops. Eichel, reinhart, Dahlin, Skinner are all better (not better contract, talent) and probably Olofsson as well

Buf had a literal eye issue with a goalie playing significant amount of games... yeah, dysfunctional system. But defense isn’t really that bad

it also has a lot to do with several of these defenders just not being that great, Risto and Montour cant defend to save their lives and Jokiharju and MIller cant be sheltered like they need to be to be most effective. Dahlin is fantastic but he's only one teenager and can only do so much.

yeah ones a top 6 forward one isnt

they're stuck in their ways. if it isn't an offensive defenseman or a scoring forward the leafs have no interest. im surprised they don't play forwards on the blue line.

it's the most obvious need of this team and we all know it, but even in a fair value trade they play up this wacky argument so as to make teams think they don't need it so that they gotta pay more.

kapanen is by far this website's most overrated player. i don't care what leafs fans say... he is not being sold as a top 6 defenseman. He's worth a mid to high 2nd... montour still carries value in the first round range, and anyone with insight would call him the better player

Jokiharju doesnt need to be sheltered, nor does Miller