Whyd he drop to 54th with an improved defense

Murray got carried? Ullmark couldn’t even carry buffalo to a 24 team playoffs lmfao. Cups> playoffs

It has nothing to do with being any sort of homer just stop, you look dumb

So weve devolved to the point were you cant actually defend your point you need to start name calling. Oh and throw in aome emojis because youre super serious and whicked smart

Improved defense? You mean when half their defense was out and they had Jack Johnson on the 1st pairing and had Riikola, Ruhwedel, and Trotman to fill out the rest of the defense? You clearly dont know what you are talking about lmao

Name calling? Hmmm pretty weird considering I haven't called you a name. Get some thicker skin, you need it. Also weird that you are the only one who thinks that those save % aren't a big deference, meanwhile there are multiple people on the other side saying it is.

Basically the main reason Calgary can't move this 1st is they desperately need center prospects for replacing Backlund in 2-3 years. Flames are full of winger prospects but their best center is Gawdin/Ruzicka. Especially with Flames last years goalie draft pick Dustin Wolf winning CHL goalie of the year this year it is way more important to fill our future needs

Murray got carried, Ullmark missed a month and in fact would have carried them into the 24 team format. In fact the Sabres were set to play MTL the night the league shut down. If Buffalo won they would have been in. Other than that, im pretty sure Hutton went 4-8 with Ullmark out and all the Sabres needed was 3 points. So your point is wrong in multiple ways

You just said i look dumb. I have thick enough skin not to light you up. Being a clown doesnt make you better

That’s fine but they need to win now bc they have 2 years of Johnny and he might not resign unless they show some sort of upside. Either way it’s not too crazy to think they could get a 1st for him. Toronto paid that for Anderson

Ya, I said you look dumb. Did I say "you are dumb"?. Seems like comprehension skills aren't a strong suit. Research skills also aren't your strong suit as well considering Murray wasn't 54th. So im going to say you look dumb when you are wrong....... LMAOOOOOO light me up? Someones feelings are hurt

Just a silly comment. Murray playoffs numbers those 2 years are pretty incredible . Again Ullmark is a nobody. Had to google him. Not a household name. Just another Sabre goalie that no one will remember

Again were at the point where facts have left the chat. In fact none of you have brought up anything relevant, just "Murray is just clearly great" "dont worry about stats"

And where is your facts at lol. Thats right, nowhere because you cant prove your own side of the argument

If literally already posted multiple stats wtf are you talking about

You just bring up 1 season lmao

Ive brought up at least 4 of Murrays personally already and strayed from talking about seasonal in lieu of career totals. Youre not following along or just ignoring anyones opinion you dont agree with

So who is better then? Murray or Ullmark and why

Multiple times it’s been shown besides 1 year Murray has better overall stats but that doesn’t fit his narrative. Just a guy with a dumb opinion who can’t admit he’s wrong. Again common sense is Murray is better

Murray's career save percentage is .4% better than Ullmark, but Ullmark has been behind significantly worse teams. Ullmark has only 3 years tracked of GSAA and they fluctuated from -.8 to - 5 to 5. Where Murray has fluctuated between -11 to 14. I dont think theirs much data to seperate them but Ullmark unquestionably has jad a worse team in front of him so Id give the edge to Ullmark, marginally. If he was on pitt he'd have better stats

I have literally not brought up his stats from this year once. Im the only person in here to not mention his stats from this year. I have basically only talked about career stats. I thought you were better than this dude. I used to hold you in high regard

Tbh I’m not a penguins fan so idgaf who is better. Murray just has way more accomplishments and has better stats. Penguins aren’t a defense first team and give up a ton of odd man breaks plus this year they had a bunch of injuries. Ullmark might be better but at this current time he’s not or hasn’t shown enough for me to say he’s better. No reason to credit or discredit. My major issue was with people saying Murray is overrated. He’s a 2x cup winner and from my experience on this site nobody thinks he’s a top 10 goalie... if people think he is then yeah that’s crazy.


Also this topic doesn’t have my full interest and I’m doing Father’s Day stuff so hard to focus and remember who said what. My fault for miss quoting you.

I from the start did not say Ullmark was better i said they have similar stats and that i would get roasted if i asked for a 1st and NHL player. Everyone else morphed it into me calling Ullmark light years ahead of Murray

I believe I responded with Murray has accomplished more than Ullmark. That’s why his value would be higher. It’s not crazy to think Murray could fetch a late first like Anderson did.

I still think Kappy is worth a 1st but whatever. You guys can think what you want.