1 God no we don’t need someone as awful as Jack Johnson. Rutherford will either buy him out or bury him in the AHL

2 Calgary would never ever accept that trade. Bennett is a much better play than Aston-Reese

3 The Ave aren’t real desperate for goaltending so I think there are better places to send Murray. Murray and McCann would intrigue me as a Sens fan

Agreed, the pens are going to need to add a sweetener to get rid of JJ. I don’t think it’s as drastic as a 1st, but a solid prospect for certain.

As for Murray and McCann to the sens in a package, I’ve thrown that idea around if the pens win the draft lotto, they should package Murray, McCann and a solid forward prospect or 2 (Hallander, Legare, or Poulin) to try and get that 5th overall and go for Drysdale.

No thanks on Murray. He looked very average against Montreal as well as most of this season, and is going to want to get paid based on his cup wins. Avs have no need to gamble in net as we have two good starting-calibre goalies signed to 2021 and 2022 respectively, along with one of the league's best goalie prospects in Annunen in the pipeline.

ZAR is so much better, it's not remotely close

Oh? Please explain to me how Zach Aston Reese is "so much better" and how it's "not remotely close".

He’s a fourth line PK guy. Sam can actually play hockey and put the puck in the net.

If

If you guys win the lottery you could probably get both of our top 5 picks if you have us 1.

He is one of the best defensive players in the league (Bennet is average at best) and i wouldn't exactly consider a 1.11 P/60 all that much better than a 0.96

lol, well I'm convinced. What an amazing argument you've made here.

"not remotely close" for sure

If by put the puck into the net you mean score at a well below average rate, and barely above ZAR (who's job was not to score points when he was out), while being really not all that good defensively (and ZAR was one of the best defensive forwards in the game)

idk what would convince you, people saying he should have been in Selke talks?

Aston-Reese has scored 18 goals in his entire career. Sam scores that many in his first full season in the league. He’s a much more talented player than ZAR that’s really not even debated. There’s a reason he was a first rounder.

People? Yeah, people say dumb stuff all the time.

But it shouldn't be really hard to convince anyone of something when "it isn't even remotely close"

OTT laughs as they decline. Add a 1st

So ovi is the best player in the league? He scores the most goals, that's the only thing that matters, it doesn't matter that his defensive play is horrible (like Bennett's compared to ZAR) or anything, or he gets extremely favorable deployment (Bennet does get more favorable deployment+PP time than ZAR) and talent wise sure he's a much more talented player, that doesn't make him have a better impact on the game, Nic Petan, Marko Dano, Jeremy Bracco, all very talented players, more talented than a large portion of NHLers, but they're not in the NHL for a reason, even a guy like Johnathan Drouin, in terms of raw talent, he probably has more than guys like ROR or Bergeron, but you'd be insane to say Drouin is better than those two lol

ZAR:
CA/60: 47.81
xGA/60: 1.58
GF%: 53.85
xGF%: 54.98
GF-xGA: 0.26
QoT: 0.099 (322nd overall, 206th among forwards]
Also had the highest EVD GAR among forwards league wide, and really good RAPM numbers
OZ start%: 31.03%

Sam Bennet:
CA/60: 57.94
xGA/60: 2.21
GF%: 48.57
xGF%: 52.59
GF-xGA: -0.49
QoT: -0.083 (396th overall, 251st for forwards, so he did have noticeably worse TM's overall, but ZAR does boost his TM's defensive stats bc they play so much together and he's that good, making his defensive QoT seem inflated)
OZ start%: 50.82% (and there goes any advantage he had in terms of "context")

But hur dur AdVaNcEd StAtS, I only like points and goals, not looking at how a player affects the game or how we can look at stats to get a good feel of how players will play next season, am i right!

Yeah exactly. Nothing I see there suggests that one is really any better than the other just like I thought, at least not enough to claim one is "so much better" and its "not even close". They're a couple of mid twenty year old 3rd/4th liners with very comparable value league wide.

it's not about numbers it's about chemistry.
The chemistry on the 4th line is great. You don't touch it.

(Except one is way better than the other at his job according to the numbers)

Yeah, no those numbers don't really prove anything.

other than him preventing more than enough shots, and dangerous chances to make up for his lack of generating offense, yes those numbers mean nothing

I didn't say they "mean nothing". What they fail to do is prove your initial assertion, and that was that Aston-Reese is "so much better" than Bennett overall and that it was "not remotely close".

How did he only play average vs mtl? Lol he had a .914 save percentage in 3 games. And that 3rd game was the 3rd pairing D’s worst game by far which left him out to dry. First goal by Weber he got spun around by Lehkonen after making the two initial saves. He had a wrap around goal against where he made the initial save before the wrap, the save on the wrap around, and while the d just stared watched Montreal poke at the rebound, and Petry’s goal was a perfect shot and nothing he could do on it.
I agree the avs shouldn’t go for murray. Just don’t know how he only played average when his only “bad game” was the game where Montreal’s goals came on their 3rd and fourth straight chances.

Nahhh

But Sam Bennett does play defence too. I’ll take a guy that can score and plays the whole rink over a guy who’s a PK specialist