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Hughes To Tampa

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Initial Creation Date: Aug. 11, 2020
Published: Aug. 12, 2020
Team: 2020-21 New Jersey Devils
Free Agent Signings
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Blackwood, Mackenzie2$4,500,000
Bratt, Jesper3$1,200,000
Anderson, Joey2$950,000
Merkley, Nick2$950,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Holtz, Alexander3$950,000
Trades
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NJD
  1. Point, Brayden
  2. Raddysh, Taylor
  3. 2021 1st round pick (TBL)
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Hughes, Jack
Buyouts
  • Mike Cammalleri: $1,666,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Travis Zajac: $2,875,000 (50%)
  • Kyle Palmieri: $2,325,000 (50%)
  • Will Butcher: $910,569 (24%)
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
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23$81,500,000$73,858,332$0$532,500$7,641,668
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Gusev, Nikita
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Hischier, Nico
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Palmieri, Kyle
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Gusev, Nikita
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Point, Brayden
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Holtz, Alexander
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Bratt, Jesper
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Zajac, Travis
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Raddysh, Taylor
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Boqvist, Jesper
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Zacha, Pavel
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Anderson, Joey
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Wood, Miles
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Smith, Ty
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Subban, P.K.
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Schneider, Cory
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Butcher, Will
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Severson, Damon
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Schneider, Cory
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Bahl, Kevin
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Walsh, Reilly
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Blackwood, Mackenzie
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 9:40 a.m.
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Why would Tampa do that? Is Hughes ceiling hogher than Points?
Aug. 12, 2020 at 9:47 a.m.
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LOLOLOLOL.........LOLOOLOLOLOL
Aug. 12, 2020 at 9:52 a.m.
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You're hoping that Hughes one day develops into the kind of player Point is today... easy decline
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 9:52 a.m.
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There's at least a 95% chance Hughes will never be as good as Point
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 9:52 a.m.
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I opened this thinking hey, this could be an interesting idea. Hughes had a very disappointing first year, but he has a ton of potential. Maybe Cirelli+Sergachev as the starter package for him- 2 high quality players that would upgrade the Devils right away, as well as helping TBL's current cap problem. Then I saw Point++ and laughed.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 9:55 a.m.
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Quoting: sabresparaavida
I opened this thinking hey, this could be an interesting idea. Hughes had a very disappointing first year, but he has a ton of potential. Maybe Cirelli+Sergachev as the starter package for him- 2 high quality players that would upgrade the Devils right away, as well as helping TBL's current cap problem. Then I saw Point++ and laughed.


Even Cirelli + Serg is laughable for Hughes. The kid is barely NHL level talent at this point.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 9:57 a.m.
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Even Cirelli + Serg is laughable for Hughes. The kid is barely NHL level talent at this point.


That's ridiculous lol was he NHL ready, no, but to say he's barely an NHL talent is as laughable as this trade offer. The Devils didn't do him any favors by playing him with Simmonds and Zacha for 90% of the year. Kakko was much more a disappointment.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:03 a.m.
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It's too early to be this drunk.

Flip the picks around and I could see Tampa maybe doing that just to move some cap out.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:33 a.m.
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Hughes value will never be more than Points
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
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Quoting: redw1n9s
Even Cirelli + Serg is laughable for Hughes. The kid is barely NHL level talent at this point.


I believe this is called recency bias.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
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Quoting: redw1n9s
Even Cirelli + Serg is laughable for Hughes. The kid is barely NHL level talent at this point.


hes a little better than that
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
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That's ridiculous lol was he NHL ready, no, but to say he's barely an NHL talent is as laughable as this trade offer. The Devils didn't do him any favors by playing him with Simmonds and Zacha for 90% of the year. Kakko was much more a disappointment.


Your opinion. Kid looks like an AHLer to me right now
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:39 a.m.
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Why would Tampa do that? Is Hughes ceiling hogher than Points?


no way, if it is than its the 1st iv heard of it
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.
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Quoting: redw1n9s
Your opinion. Kid looks like an AHLer to me right now


he probably shouldev played another season of junior hockey
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:41 a.m.
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That's ridiculous lol was he NHL ready, no, but to say he's barely an NHL talent is as laughable as this trade offer. The Devils didn't do him any favors by playing him with Simmonds and Zacha for 90% of the year. Kakko was much more a disappointment.


WHAT?, their stats were like identical
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:43 a.m.
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no way, if it is than its the 1st iv heard of it


Point is very good. Justifying his skill by his draft position is never the right way to go about it. I dont expect Hughes to be a superstar but I think he will be a very solid top 6 center.

Edit* I misread your comment and thought you were saying Hughes is (going to be) better
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:44 a.m.
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Your opinion. Kid looks like an AHLer to me right now


Well then you're an idiot. He just turned 19. By that logic, Kakko and Dach are AHL'ers right now because they had very similar seasons statistically while playing with better players and being 6'2/6'3 200 lbs. Give him time.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:45 a.m.
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WHAT?, their stats were like identical


Likely because of his supporting cast. Hughes was playing a more difficult position, on a team where he had to do more, with lesser quality linemates. Judging by that, Hughes had a better season, but he was picked first, so I don't know if you can say he was less disappointing.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:47 a.m.
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he probably shouldev played another season of junior hockey


I've thought about this as well. He would've had to play in the O for the Steelheads since they owned his rights since he wasn't eligible to play in the AHL. Hindsight is 20/20- for what it's worth, he averaged a point per game in pre season and i believe he had 5 or 6 points through his first 9 games, so at that point nobody thought he would've tailed off like he did.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: redw1n9s
Even Cirelli + Serg is laughable for Hughes. The kid is barely NHL level talent at this point.


Hughes is small he was bound to take extra time to develop. Look at Thornton in his first season, 7 points in 55 games. Next year he had 41 points. Hughes will get better, but idk if he will be better than Point. I think Point is a good comparison for ceiling.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:52 a.m.
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WHAT?, their stats were like identical


During the draft the consensus was Hughes will be the better player 2-3 years down the line, but Kakko will be able to contribute 50 plus points right away. "He's already done it against men and he's already built for the NHL" is a phrase that was routinely used when describing his game. Instead, on a team loaded up front and playing an easier position, he didn't do very well. He was statistically one of the worst players in the NHL from an analytical standpoint (-9.6 GAR) So yeah, I'd say he had a worse season. I still think he'll be very good though
Aug. 12, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
During the draft the consensus was Hughes will be the better player 2-3 years down the line, but Kakko will be able to contribute 50 plus points right away. "He's already done it against men and he's already built for the NHL" is a phrase that was routinely used when describing his game. Instead, on a team loaded up front and playing an easier position, he didn't do very well. He was statistically one of the worst players in the NHL from an analytical standpoint. So yeah, I'd say he had a worse season. I still think he'll be very good though


Kakko should break put next year (and would have regardless of Lafreniere). Some players take more time to transition to the different ice surface.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 11:01 a.m.
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Kakko should break put next year (and would have regardless of Lafreniere). Some players take more time to transition to the different ice surface.


I completely agree, it also didn't help that he hadn't had any time off in about a year and a half. Liiga, WJC, Liiga, WC's, Traverse City, training camp, then an NHL season. He definitely looked stronger in the bubble after some time off.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 11:02 a.m.
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Well then you're an idiot. He just turned 19. By that logic, Kakko and Dach are AHL'ers right now because they had very similar seasons statistically while playing with better players and being 6'2/6'3 200 lbs. Give him time.


lol...guess you haven't watched Dach play
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 11:04 a.m.
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Hughes is small he was bound to take extra time to develop. Look at Thornton in his first season, 7 points in 55 games. Next year he had 41 points. Hughes will get better, but idk if he will be better than Point. I think Point is a good comparison for ceiling.


Obviously he will get better, but I am not convinced he will be a premier NHL player ever. The over-hype on these top prospects is rampant these days...even Hischier? Patrick? Bleh
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