Kreider or Hall to Colorado

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Created by: Shakabakes

Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 13, 2020

Published: Aug. 13, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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I included one of the more basic Kreider trades on here, just for the Hell of it. But more interested in hearing from Avs fans about which option they would prefer.

On the one hand, you can give up a good Pick and a decent Prospect to get a LW on a relatively friendly deal.

On the other hand, you can use your Cap room to go out and get Taylor Hall, who would probably be interested in joining a contender.

Hall is definitely the better Offensive player of the 2. But, obviously would come with a much heftier price tag.

Which is the more beneficial preference? A good, cheaper player that requires giving up pieces for. Or a better, but far more expensive Free Agent, that wouldn't require dipping into your Prospect pool.

Trades

NYR

Jost, Tyson
2020 1st round pick (COL)

Buried

Matt Beleskey: $825,000 ($1,900,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$70,711,466	$0	$8,195,000	$10,788,534

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Panarin, Artemi $11,642,857$11,642,857 LW NMC UFA - 7	Zibanejad, Mika $5,350,000$5,350,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Buchnevich, Pavel $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 2
	Strome, Ryan $3,100,000$3,100,000 RW, C UFA - 1	Fast, Jesper $1,850,000$1,850,000 RW UFA - 1
Lemieux, Brendan $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Howden, Brett $863,333$863,333 C, LW UFA - 2	Kakko, Kaapo $925,000$925,000 ($2,650,000$3M) RW RFA - 3
Chytil, Filip $894,166$894,166 ($350,000$350K) C, LW UFA - 2	McKegg, Greg $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Gauthier, Julien $863,333$863,333 ($300,000$300K) RW UFA - 2
Di Giuseppe, Phillip $700,000$700,000 LW UFA - 1	Haley, Micheal $700,000$700,000 C UFA - 1
	Jost, Tyson $885,833$885,833 ($850,000$850K) C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Staal, Marc $5,700,000$5,700,000 LD NMC UFA - 2	Trouba, Jacob $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD UFA - 7	Lundqvist, Henrik $8,500,000$8,500,000 G NMC UFA - 2
Lindgren, Ryan $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 2	Smith, Brendan $4,350,000$4,350,000 LD/RD, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Shesterkin, Igor $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) G UFA - 2
	Deangelo, Anthony $925,000$925,000 RD UFA - 1	Georgiev, Alexandar $792,500$792,500 ($132,500$132K) G UFA - 1
	Fox, Adam $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 3

Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:23 p.m.

Teemu_salami

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sure why not. you can have zads while your at it.

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:28 p.m.

Shakabakes

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Quoting: Teemu_salami

sure why not. you can have zads while your at it.

Zadorov, Jost and a 1st for Kreider and Howden?

Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:28 p.m.

Sonuvabirch69

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Blueshirts should’ve traded Kreider while they still could instead of locking him up until he’s 36.

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:30 p.m.

Shakabakes

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Quoting: ICantHaveFunWithMyUsername

Blueshirts should’ve traded Kreider while they still could instead of locking him up until he’s 36.

Agreed. I didn't think it was terrible, but I thought future pieces would have been better. And now that we have landed the #1 Pick, it just makes it more complicated.

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:32 p.m.

McRanteskog

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I’d rather have Hall over Kreider personally.

I understand they will need to pay Hall 1.5-2mil more, but they will get to keep their 1st rd pick which is worth more than 2 mil

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:37 p.m.

DirtyDangle

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Quoting: ICantHaveFunWithMyUsername

Blueshirts should’ve traded Kreider while they still could instead of locking him up until he’s 36.

they still can. he just has less value now.

Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:48 p.m.

Philu916

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

they still can. he just has less value now.

And a full NMC

Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:50 p.m.

DirtyDangle

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Quoting: Philu916

And a full NMC

doesnt kick in yet and only for 4 years. still time to move him.

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 10:52 p.m.

Anus_McLeod

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Hall is my preferred option. He's a great fit for the Avs in terms of style and is a couple years younger. Add that Colorado keeps all their picks/prospects and it's an easy choice for me (assuming Hall is reasonable with his ask).

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 11:00 p.m.

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

doesnt kick in yet and only for 4 years. still time to move him.

If CK signed a 4 year NMC as part of a 7 year deal and was traded before it kicked in that following off season, it can look so bad for future players to want to extend or sign here. Feel like CK would HAVE to be spoken to before anything occurs.

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 11:05 p.m.

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DirtyDangle

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Quoting: Philu916

sure but the alternative is keeping panarin, kreider, and laf for 4 years. the rangers can be forgiven in these circumstances

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 11:19 p.m.

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Sonuvabirch69

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

they still can. he just has less value now.

They could have traded him while his value was still high, was what I meant.

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Aug. 13, 2020 at 11:25 p.m.

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Avs aren't going to into cap hell next season by signing Hall or trading for Kreider.

Aug. 13, 2020 at 11:50 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Avs aren't going to into cap hell next season by signing Hall or trading for Kreider.

I don't think either one puts them into Cap Hell. They have the space. The perfect way to handle Free Agency is to build off your youth as a base, and then use Free Agency to quickly patch up the remaining holes. A premier LW would do just that.

Every team goes into some sort of "Cap Hell" at some point. The best time to do so is when your competive window is open.

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Aug. 14, 2020 at 12:25 a.m.

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Sonuvabirch69

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Quoting: Shakabakes

Agreed. I didn't think it was terrible, but I thought future pieces would have been better. And now that we have landed the #1 Pick, it just makes it more complicated.

At least you’ll have one of the best top nine groups in the league

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Aug. 14, 2020 at 6:08 p.m.

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Hall looked really good against Nashville and again today in Game 2. Guy is buzzing in the Ozone and making plays constantly. He'd be a perfect fit on this team.

That said, term and AAV will obviously be the deciding factor.

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Aug. 14, 2020 at 6:59 p.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

I would expect him to be in the 7 year range for $80M. Maybe the flat cap helps the Avs bring him down a bit, but not by much.

Aug. 14, 2020 at 7:40 p.m.

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Quoting: Shakabakes

I would expect him to be in the 7 year range for $80M. Maybe the flat cap helps the Avs bring him down a bit, but not by much.

You really think he's going to be in the $11.5m range? That's Panarin money, and Panarin doesn't have anywhere near the injury issue Hall has. Panarin also signed before the flat cap.

Maybe he'd get that AAV on a 3-4 year deal, but not on a 7 year deal.

Aug. 14, 2020 at 7:57 p.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

I was under the assumption he would cash in. So for 7 years, you think he would be closer to $9M. Because that would definitely make him more appealing than Kreider.

Aug. 14, 2020 at 8:04 p.m.

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Quoting: Shakabakes

I was under the assumption he would cash in. So for 7 years, you think he would be closer to $9M. Because that would definitely make him more appealing than Kreider.

Not sure where you're getting the $80m figure from in your earlier post if you think he'll look for 7x $9m.

$9m x 7 years = $63m.

Aug. 14, 2020 at 10:15 p.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

Not sure where you're getting the $80m figure from in your earlier post if you think he'll look for 7x $9m.

$9m x 7 years = $63m.

Yeah, I know. I was initially thinking he could get close to Panarin money, which is where the $80M came from.

Now that you're saying you believe he is worth much less than, I backtracked to ask if you if you thought he was closer to $9M (just realized I didn't put a question mark there) which would be the $63M.

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Aug. 15, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.

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Quoting: Shakabakes

You're actually not wrong to be fair, as he probably can get $9m+ from teams. Offers like that probably won't be forthcoming from contenders like Boston or Colorado though, so the question for him will be if he takes $9m+ to play on a lesser team, or if he takes $1m (or more) less AAV in order to play on a contender.

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