Quoting: Dave31
I understand that each trade is a bit of an overpay, no argument there, but right now I think thats what it would take to get it done. The idea of being too concerned with picks and prospects just doesn't add up to me, I honestly am not worried about anything other than the present. If we are staying in "win now" mode then we gotta do whats best for bouncing back and being a contender next year. If that doesn't work and we go all in and still fail, then next year we will have tons of core pieces we can move for all the picks and prospects in the world (similar to what the Sens did) but we cant stay in a purgatory. Its either go all in or rebuild, and Im not ready to accept a rebuild just yet
I'm just saying you don't have to overpay this much when you're sending such a hefty package for guys like Kapanen or Arvidsson or Virtanen. It's really not good for us. It's fine to worry mostly about the present, but it's not good to disregard our entire future. We can be in "win now" mode and pursue success without giving up every valuable asset we have in the process. If we don't put every single chip in now that doesn't necessarily mean we're committed to rebuilding, it just means we're not forfeiting our entire future for the now. Which I think is a good idea. Again, I'm not opposed to moving some picks for good players that will help us, but we can't afford to get rid of prospects like this.
Quoting: Dave31
Im with you on the TOR trade, I think they might accept it just for the pick as well but I through in prospects to sweeten the deal because Im sure plenty of other teams will offer a 2nd rounder for him as well and I want them to choose us.
Agreed, but if that's the case don't move Kniazev. He's a guy we specifically moved up in the draft to get. Plus Toronto already has tons of LDH like Sandin, Dermott, Reilly, Muzzin, and Marincin. Replace Kniazev with Roy and it's much better. They have no need for LHD, and we have no reason to give up on him so early.
Quoting: Dave31
From what Ive been hearing from VAN its quite the opposite though, and it sounds like with the cap trouble they're in he could almost certainly be on the move. He's young and gritty with 20+ goal scoring potential, exactly the type of player we should be going hard after. Demko has plenty of value as well, so Im not sure the Sharks would be able to make the best offer for those players without involving Merkley. To me, thats worth moving a prospect for (even an elite one).
VAN is going to try to move Sutter, Eriksson, Beagle, Ferland or Roussel before Virtanen. They realize he's finally developed into they player they've expected him to be. From what I've heard, the Canucks have very little interest in moving him. Having the cap to keep Virtanen is highly contingent on Toffoli re-upping with them and honestly I'm not so sure that happens. They're beating the Blues in a playoff series as we speak despite not having Toffoli the entire time. Demko has plenty of value, and I'd be willing to pony up for him, but unless we're getting back Hoglander, Podkolzin Rathbone or Madden, I would have absolutely 0 interest in even considering moving someone of Merkley's caliber. Especially considering that he's our best prospect.
Quoting: Dave31
The NSH trade is only based on the fact that their GM has publicly said he will be making lots of moves this offseason, so you're right that Arvidsson might not be available but theres definitely a chance he could be! Watson would bring a ton of value to our 4th line that hasn't had any kind of identity for years now, which is why I also added Maroon to add the heavyweight element that we desperately need.
Yeah no for sure Arvidsson could be available and I'd be happy if he was. Just kind of noting that Nashville certainly wouldn't be selling low and Arvidsson. That one I'm fine with if we're paying the right price.