That edmonton 3rd is likely staying with them since they have the option of this year or next according to the arbitrator.

Oh okay. Everything else is fine then?

STL would never think about accepting that deal.

Trades of players like Marincin etc make no sense at all.
Rubins is someone who the Leafs should never essentially give away. He young, massive, improving rapidly, the kind of D that the team has been desperate to find, and does not require waivers for the 3 years.
Sandin and Liljegren should never be paired together.

That STL deal is just unfair. If that deal were to happen, Doug Armstrong gets committed or Dubas has some dirt on him.

Well the current rumor floating around is Johnsson, Lily and 15 OVR for Parayko. That's an extreme overpayment imo.

I just wanted Marincin off the organization lol

I like Ryan McLeod and if Rubins doesn't fit this year he can go. I have no sentimental value with these players anymore.

Yes you should definitely base your opinion on like 5 games they played together in the NHL when the Leafs were down like 5 big name players and not the months they played together on the Marlies and ruined worlds. I'm not saying they're going to dominate but I can guarantee they'll be better then Dermott-Barrie...

If this deal happens last year I'd agree. But Parayko only has 2 years left. I'm not trading Johnsson, Lily and 15th overall for 2 years of Parayko.

The Johnsson, Liljegren, 15oa for Parayko "rumor" doesn't really do anything for the Blues, so this one would be an easy decline.

Doesn't do anything?

Johnsson is a costed controlled player that plays in any situation and on any line.

Lily is a young RHD that can play on your 3rd pair till you smarten up and trade Faulk then he can play in the top 4. He's a very good that can play a 200 ft game when he's ready.

15th overall is usually magic beans but in this draft class it'd be difficult to miss with that pick. You're going to get huge value whether you keep it or trade it.

Oh no, St. Louis easly declines

You don't have to explain it to me lol it's not as big of a value as Parayko. Would you trade Rielly for Sanford, Kostin, and a 1st? Leafs don't need that stuff, just like the Blues don't need to trade Parayko for things they already have - plus it doesn't even save much cap when Johnsson makes 3.4m and Parayko makes 5.5.

2 years of Colton Parayko?? You guys all realize this isn't prime Doughty or Karlsson right? Parayko isnt Lindstrom. I'm not trading Matthews and Rielly for Parayko.

Btw that Rielly trade is DEFINITELY not the same thing. Parayko isn't your best DMan that you've had in a decade (maybe longer) and Parayko isnt your only good DMan.

2 years of Colton Parayko?? You guys all realize this isn't prime Doughty or Karlsson right? Parayko isnt Lindstrom. I'm not trading Matthews and Rielly for Parayko.

Btw that Rielly trade is DEFINITELY not the same thing. Parayko isn't your best DMan that you've had in a decade (maybe longer) and Parayko isnt your only good DMan.

I don't know why that posted 3 times btw...

Floating around where? The land of delusions?

Johnsson is no better than Sanford and marginally better than Blais. We have two young guys in Kyrou and Kostin that are ready to come into our lineup as well.

If Liljegren was really that good of a D prospect, every leaf fan wouldn’t want to trade him.

The #15 pick is solid but is still not a sure bet.

I would say the 1st Liljegren and Johnsson for Parayko is in the realm of possibility. It seems steep to Leaf fans and insane to St Louis fans. While Parayko is absolutely terrific, he's not an elite #1 defenceman, more of a #2 defenceman and in TO he would certainly do well. He's great defensively, can skate, pass and move the puck as well. He would make the best pairing in the league with Rielly. I am sceptical this would happen but I am certainly not against it.

Parayko would be Toronto's best D. The Muzzin trade would be a good comparable. 1st, Grundstrom and Durzi. This is a better pick. Lilly is better than Grundstrom or Durzi and Johnsson is a slghtly overpaid winger. Parayko is a better D than Muzzin and it is for two years of him vs 1.5 years.

Johnsson is better than Grundstrom or Durzi as well. He isn't overpaid, he's good. Parayko is not better than Rielly. Rielly is just a leaf so he is undervalued, and he's never had a decent partner and gets blamed for their faults.b

Johnsson is a small winger who will be 26 soon. He is coming off a bad injury and would not get close to the same contract this year. He is over-paid - which is exactly why the Leafs' have been shopping him.

Grundstrom is a big 22-year-old winger who has played 28 games NHL games despite still being much younger than when Johnsson played his first.

Parayko is better than Rielly.

Not true, and if Johnsson doesn't get a good return then they'll happily keep him. He's a very good player, better than Kapanen for sure.

Rielly just gets disrespected as all Leaf players do.

I say this as a Leafs' fan. Leafs' fans are easily the most biased and delusional fans on the planet. Johnsson is not better than Kapanen and Rielly is not better than Parayko.

There are delusional leaf fans for sure and then their are jaded ones who seem to have heard all their players are terrible so many times that they buy it. Rielly is an elite number 1 defenceman and Parayko is not. Johnsson is a very good middle 6 winger who is two way and has very good speed. Kapanen was fast, inconsistent and terrible defensively. He got into 2 fights and everyone loves him and see him as this gritty 30 goal scoring guy buried behind Nylander. He has had 2 years worth of chances to earn a spot in the top 6 and couldn't. He's just flash. Johnsson at least has good work in other areas as well.

Bull****. Rielly is a very good offensive defenceman who is poor defensively to put it mildly. Parayko was the go to D on the team that won the cup in 2019. Parayko's QoC this year: 91st percentile. Pietro's 65th. Parayko's oz start percentile: 10th. Pietro: 62nd.

During the cup run it was Parayko who was the one tasked with going up against Marchand, Pastrnak, Bergeron, Benn, Radulov, Seguin, Scheifele, Wheeler, etc while Pietro went up against secondary competition.



There is not a GM on the planet who would give in exchange for Johnsson anything even close to what they would give for Kapanen. You are free to hold wrong views, but that is what they are.

Disrespect