Agree.

I get that but you needed a backup and they got that. You also don't want your 10mil goalie to regress faster or get more injuries

You just don't want a 10 mil goalie period.

That too but they do and they solved an issue. I don't get how you don't see the fairness in this trade. It made since for both teams

Dermott does nothing for Pittsburgh and they wouldn't play him over JJ so I consider him a scrap. He's fine as a third pair defenseman but by definition those players aren't worth a ton. If he was that great of a piece I'm also inclined to believe Toronto would just keep him, and their fans really seem to believe he's getting moved

Okay then what would you consider for Murray don't be bias please. Its clear they want him out as Jerry steps in but Murray also hasn't played that good but I think if they can find a way to move JJ then it makes more since and he would slide in perfectly in the 3rd pair on a fair contract and still young

in terms of straight picks, a late 1st or two 2nds, which lines up with prior goalie trades

more likely he gets moved for a 3C like Tierney or a 4/5 RD similar in value to Montour/Miller

Murray has also played incredibly well, career regular season .914 and .921 in the playoffs... he had a shaky couple months this past season but he'll get valued based off of his career #'s

Pens are taking on a lot of risk moving their starter out for less of a known quantity in Jarry and will expect to be compensated for that risk

I mean, that's the real issue here. The fact that they needed an Allen type was a loss. I don't care how good he is you never pay a goalie more than 6.5 million.



See I think you can't just bring up his two seasons of below average play and then ignore his career of average to above average seasons. In six seasons with twenty or more games (typical backup load) played he was above league average for that season in three. He was dead on league average in one (and I don't view that negatively). And below league average in two.

I don't think he's a starting goaltender or anything but my overall point was that he was a not a pure "cap dump" as Montreal is going to likely get positive value out of him. Unlike, say, the Backes trade or Gundbranson trade where the acquiring team was not getting a useful player.

Lol. Sorry you lost me at not playing Dermott over Jack Johnson.

I said that they wouldn't, not that they shouldn't

That Flames trade is terrible

I guy like Price can win a playoff series by himself. No other player in the league can do that.

Because before the guy changed it, it was only draft picks for murray.

No it isn't If you think about it. Now If they sign a Lehner or Markstrom you don't do it.

Wow I mean Wow - TO fans just don't get it.

The biggest buyers market for NHL goalies in history - and they think that they will score a top pairing 23 year old RHD on a value contract for a one year rental of the goalie literally every TO AGM is trying to trade AND then get Bennett for Johnsson!!!

Well Montreal and Calgary are in different positions, one has a stalwart goalie and the other doesn't. I understand that MTL picked up Allen because STL needed a cap dump and MTL was looking for a backup to Price I get all that. But to say that Calgary is just gonna accept Andersen for 1 year at 5MIL when there are other goalies you can platoon for cheaper just doesn't make sense. Especially when they're giving up a top4 D-Man and Sam Bennett

We give up our #1 d-man and best playoff performer for a middle six winger and a goalie we could get for a lot less.

I can see that. What if you guys resign him? Because I look at like this, you guys clearly need a change there and consistently keep on signing these old goalies in FA every year. I think Freddy gets pooped on more then he should because our dcore is terrible and when he comes to the playoffs he does let in a bad or 2 goals in a series but how much is that to blame on allowing 30+ shots like every game. If you bring back Brodie and Gustfasson and or another dman in FA I would like your team better potentially.

Okay. A 2nd this yr and next with the Vegas 4th?

Don't think it's crazy, depends on whether they have a deal lined up to immediately swap those picks for one of the pieces they need

I think other teams would also beat 2020 2nd, 2021 2nd and 2020 4th. At minimum Ottawa could beat that package with just straight picks

Even if he's an average goalie he's getting paid starter money to be a backup. That's why it's a cap dump and Montreal shouldn't have paid more than a 5th rd pick for him

Nobodies beating that offer for Matt Murray. Goalies are notoriously under valued in NHL trades and the market is flooded with goalies.

I think if you guys can get rid of JJ and substitute him with Dermott and still young with a good contract (If that's where he comes at or near; It wouldn't be too much more) with a 2nd and 2 4th's I think that is fair

The problem with that logic is that they aren’t getting rid of JJ

Youngest goalie available by almost half a decade, expect to be surprised by the return