It would be very hard for Toronto to move Nylander because they already traded Kapanen. I'm not sure who would take his role in the top 6.

Samsonov would be good but Eller isn't really a piece Toronto would want back in a trade for Nylander (not enough). You'd need to add at least a 1st to this if not more.

I think the value is pretty close for the Nylander trade, except that Samsonov has no term. I agree with your assessment of Eller and what he would bring to the Leafs, however I don't see them making this trade. It's no secret the Leafs want help on D and with a deep FA pool of goalies this doesn't make much sense for Dubas to pull the trigger on.

I don't see Nylander leaving Toronto unless they are able to get a top 4 RHD in some way, whether that is by trading Nylander for one or trading him for futures and picks to clear cap space and sign one. Also this likely isn't enough for him anyway. If your trading a forward the conversation likely starts with Vrana not Eller

I'd have a very difficult time saying no to this.

I can't figure out any reason that Edmonton would make that trade.

If the cap had gone up $5M this summer, that wouldn't get you hung up on.

Oshie was on pace for 31g 58 p this year, playing all over the top nine. He's able to play RW, C, or LD on the Caps' top power play, as needed. He singlehandedly defeated Russia in the Olympic shootout.

Also, the rumor is that Edmonton is trying to cut salary and is not sure they can qualify Athanasiou. If the cap had gone up $5M, they woudln't make this trade. It didn't. They want to add a top six wing. They get that, here. They wish he were 18 years old. Good luck with that, at this price.

I mean that's all I'm saying though, That would be the ask from Toronto like it or not.

Cool. I could see Samsonov being better than UFA goalie options outside of Markstrom right now, and he's 7 years and 21 days younger than Markstrom, and probably about $6M cheaper, this year.



Thanks. The Caps have two RHD under contract. If Carlson's in a Nylander trade, that's the trade.

Jensen was worth the Caps' top RHD prospect and a 2nd before the cap was flat. Now he's arguably the Caps' best defensive defenseman. What about, say, Eller, Jensen, and Copley?

eta: I think the above trade lets Tor trade Kerfoot for a top four RHD, but.... oh. I got it!!!!! Back to the above idea: WSH throws in UFA rights to Radko Gudas. Might be expensive, but rights to sign a top-four RHD is an asset that could theoretically help Toronto acquire a top four RHD, yeah?

http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&position=L&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints&page=0&pageSize=50

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eta: better chance of Ovechkin.

I don't see how Oshie is really that significant an upgrade over James Neal. Like Neal, Oshie is 33 now but will be getting paid $5.75M until he's 38. Yamamoto or Athanasiou could probably do just as well on that 4th forward slot on that PP. They've had all of 9 regular season games with Athanasiou, hardly enough to say that he can't work with their system. Maybe I'm out of touch here but it just seems like Edmonton is giving up the two most desirable of the three pieces involved in that trade. A 33 year old, overpaid Oshie isn't a desirable asset to me.

In the last four years, Oshie has been on pace for thiry goals three times.

Neal? Zero.

eta: Athanasiou, one. So the OIlers get a more consistent goal scorer, save 2M, and open up a roster spot for Broberg or Bouchard.

If Oshie can score 30 goals with Backstrom, how many can he get with McDavid or Draisaitl?

Okay, fine, I concede that Neal has been a poorer asset than Oshie over the last few years, but that's such a tiny part of what I said, that it's nearly meaningless. You haven't justified the trade. What makes Oshie a better option than Edmonton trying to land one of the free agents that will be available this offseason for free? Why would Edmonton give up assets to get Oshie when they could probably land one of Hoffman, Dadonov, Granlund or Toffoli who are all younger for around the same amount of money?

Hoffman is pencilled in on five or six teams at $8M, and the ones that don't get him are going to bid high on Dadonov and Toffoli at wing. Granlund is one of two listed centers on the market who are under 30 years old and have a 50 point season. The other, Haula, missed half of last year and has a bad injury history. Bidding could get ridiculous, if teams look at it like you said, as being able to add someone without giving up an asset.

Broberg and Bouchard need ice time, and Klefbom (checks some stats--Oh! he's good again!) is totally back on his game and worth more than Oshie right now. Maybe swap in a different defenseman.

My whole thought process was that if the Oil can't afford A.A., they might see him as more of an irritant than an asset, so they could look to package him with a decent player, save a little cap space, and be done with him. No. If Klefbom is back to playing good defense for 25 minutes a night, he's not moving in that trade.

Samsonov played four years in the KHL, one year in the AHL to learn the North American game, and then last year, of NHL goalies with 20 games played, he was 11th in save percentage. The cap is flat. His cap his is $900k. If Barclay Goodrow is worth a 1st, there are not enough draft picks on this website to express Ilya Samsonov's trade value.

Lars Eller had 31 even strength goals this year. So did Duchene and Giroux. Try getting either of them retained down to a 3.5M cap hit for just Nylander. Try it. I dare you.

eta: realistically, Samsonov for Nylander is a one for one, but there's a cap, and so it gets more complicated. Eller is worth a late 1st but I threw him in because I was hoping the Oilers would give away A.A. to try to replace him. They won't.

Just so you know that Edmonton trade is brutal for all the reasons that have been stated. At the end of the day you can’t get Klefbom for an aging asset on a scary long contract.

Also EDM is a cap team and their trouble has nothing to do with saving money. But even if they were, spend $7M to fill two roster spots is way more cost effective than spending $6M on one anyway.

Samsonov is worth a 1st max. Goalies aren't worth that much and he only has 1 cheao year left. You can't base player's values off of the Goodrow trade because it's widely agreed Tampa overpaid for him.

If you think Samsonov is worth Nylander the Leafs hard pass. Maybe for Hart.

Tune in at 8 (7 Central) to see just how much they overpaid. Leaf fans gonna Leafs fan, though.

Here ya go: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1959683